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| lucid9 |
| 06/03/04 at 07:14:22 |
| [slm] To those who know: what do you think about the Harun Yahya scientific stuff? I become very upset when I read some of the Harun Yahya stuff. Some of it is so wrong, and makes a mockery of the claim that science and religion complement rather than contradict each other. When he starts talking about relativity, evolution etc...i get very upset. |
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| Kathy |
| 06/03/04 at 09:07:34 |
| [slm] Tell me why, I am not in the know and have heard mumblings about him... |
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| nida |
| 06/03/04 at 18:39:01 |
| [quote author=hyper link=board=kabob;num=1086257663;start=0#0 date=06/03/04 at 07:14:22] Some of it is so wrong, and makes a mockery of the claim that science and religion complement rather than contradict each other. [/quote] really? which ones? i don't know, but some articles are pretty good.(like about death, hereafter,etc) but there was this one which really shocked me.its REALLY bizarre. i don't know if it is true.its trying to say that the things we see aren't really there and we are just imagining it or something like that! here is the link: http://www.harunyahya.com/books/deep_thinking/little_man/littleman1.php |
| 06/03/04 at 18:40:05 |
| nida |
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| bhaloo |
| 06/03/04 at 20:59:05 |
| [slm] What is wrong with his Deceit of Evolution book? ??? I didn't see any problems with it. |
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| Barr |
| 06/03/04 at 23:28:26 |
| [wlm] warahmatullah... Thus far, I only know of a brother who has problems with Harun Yahya. He opines that Yahya's arguments are too simplistic and reductionistic for something to be accepted scientifically. This is coming from a person who believes in evolution though. My take is that, most of Harun Yahya's books are for the laymen, and can't be equated to research journals if that's the type of empirical evidence and arguments that we are looking for. Allahua'lam |
| 06/03/04 at 23:29:23 |
| Barr |
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| bhaloo |
| 06/05/04 at 09:07:48 |
| [slm] You know of a "brother" that accepts evolution? ??? I wasn't aware someone could be a Muslim and accept evolution. The two are incompatible, man didn't come from apes.. Harun Yahya has written books to address people at different levels, here is a more expert one on the subject of evolution: http://www.harunyahya.com/refuted1.php It gives nice proofs and scientific evidence. The most stubborn of people I have found have been atheists, that no matter how much proof you throw at them, they simply refuse, they throw all logic aside. |
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| theOriginal |
| 06/05/04 at 12:10:38 |
| [slm] I heard that muslims believe that there was this one tribe that was slowly turned into apes. Kinda like reverse evolution. And I believe in evolution as a possibility!! I don't believe we evolved from apes, but I think there's room to believe that Allah didn't create things instantaneously. He (swt) could have, if He had wanted to, but maybe He took His time. Really it isn't an issue of whether or not He actually did take time, but He could have, and that's all that counts. It all makes sense in my head, you see. :) Wasalaam. |
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| Nadeem |
| 06/05/04 at 21:42:45 |
| [slm] I'm no scientist, but I think that evolution could be possible, and not necessarily un-Islamic. Look for example how many species of animal are very similar, like for example zebra and horse, wolf and dog. I don't believe that we, mankind, are evolved from apes or monkeys or whatever, but surely we have "evolved" into different races? When Allah subhana wa ta'ala created Prophet Adam, I imagine he would have been of a particular race. Then perhaps over time we evolved into different races due to climate and other conditions? Don't know the above to be facts, just my thoughts. :) [wlm] |
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| bhaloo |
| 06/06/04 at 02:07:04 |
| [slm] JO, I beleive you are referring to this? ??? Quran 2:63 – 65 And (O Children of Israel, remember) when We took your covenant and We raised above you the Mount (saying): "Hold fast to that which We have given you, and remember that which is therein so that you may become Al-Muttaqun. Then after that you turned away. Had it not been for the Grace and Mercy of Allah upon you, indeed you would have been among the losers. And indeed you knew those amongst you who transgressed in the matter of the Sabbath. We said to them: "Be you monkeys, despised and rejected." ;===================================== I hadn't heard the transformation was slowly. The point you and Nadeem bring up about a creature going from one species to another, you're right its possible, Allah can do anything. And as Muslims it makes no difference. Having said that, those that try to advance the evolution agenda, (at least in my experience), are atheists that believe that science solved everything and there was no God, and that is why they try to advance this agenda, to say, HAHA, science created all these species, not God. But even if one tries to take this approach, as far as I have researched, I wasn't aware of any intermediate species being found, i.e., of an intermediate species showing this evolutionary change. There are so many hoaxes out there, like this neanderthal man: http://emporium.turnpike.net/C/cs/emnh.htm |
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| humble_muslim |
| 06/08/04 at 09:56:08 |
| AA Yes Bhaloo is correct. Although it certainly wasn't Darwin's motive (he was a Christian, I believe), evolution has now been used to "prove" that there is no need for God the creator and further, that man is "just" an animal like other animals, and so does not have accountability in the eys of a Creator. I've always thought the ayats about the Jews and the monkeys/apes indicate that the transformation of man to ape and vice versa is something that is not impossible. But of course, Allah SWT can do whatever he wants. I have a theory that all these man-like species which they have found skeltons of (neandtharal man, etc) are the skeltons of humans who had been turned into apes as punishment from Allah. That would certainly fit in with both scientific facts and the Quran. Of couse, Allah SWT knows best, and this is conjecture on my part. However, I studeid biochemistry at college, and have one question which the evolutionists who deny God cannot answer. The mechanism of evolution is via DNA replication, which is an AMAZINGLY complex process. How did THIS process itself evolve? Kind of like a chicken vs egg question. |
| NS |
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| lucid9 |
| 06/08/04 at 18:03:06 |
| [slm] The problem is (1) muslims who dogmatically deny evolution without any knowledge. Evolution is a very, very clever idea. However, it is a mathematically very challenged theory and thus i find it implausible (when compared to the age of the universe, the time scales are too short to allow spontaneous generation of cells then organisms than humans). But, in any case i don't really care about evolution, whether it is right or wrong is of little importance. The point is, islam doesn't make any concrete assertions for or against evolution, and thus theologically the matter is irrelevent. The problem is for example when Harun Yahya make outrageously ignorant statements to support their/his theological point of view. For example, I was wapching a Harun Yahya video, where it was asserted that the theory of evolution was rubbish and that the theory had been positively demolished in the last 50 years. What nonsense! The theory wasn't demolished. Its mathematical flaws were pointed out. But the theory wasn't torn apart. This is just harun yahya making ill-motivated assertions. As muslims, we are not afraid of anything. There is no point being so paranoid of science. We should speak fairly and not exaggerate. |
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| momineqbal |
| 06/08/04 at 21:24:10 |
| [slm], Some of Haruan Yahya stuff is good in my opinion. There was a video on ants that I showed my sunday school class which was very good. But there have been times when he makes claims as if he was an authority on a particular scientific field and I have observed that not just related to evolution, but he has claims about relativity theory and some other stuff which do sound very dodgy (frankly I am wary of any science stuff presented without mentioning any source so its veracity can be checked). Scienctists have tried to explain everything there is and many believe(d) that once the relationship betweek gravity and relativity was proven, human kind would know everything there is to know. Many scientists now are reconsidering their positions. In my opinion Harun Yahya and others in some instances also makes the same mistake of trying to "explain everything", as if our finite understanding capabilities could ever fathom the infinite! "And if all the trees on the earth were pens and the sea (were ink wherewith to write), with seven seas behind it to add to its (supply), yet the Words of Allâh would not be exhausted. Verily, Allâh is AllMighty, AllWise." (Luqman, 27). Allahu Alam! |
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| panjul |
| 06/13/04 at 04:46:54 |
| [slm] I heard that muslims believe that there was this one tribe that was slowly turned into apes. Kinda like reverse evolution. Those were the people who trangressed agains Allah and thus were punished. In Tafsir Ibn Kathir, it is said that they did not have any children, neither did they live for long. And Allah knows best. However, I know of someone who says that all the monkeys and pigs in the world today are from those people that were punished. ??? |
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| tripplea |
| 06/13/04 at 08:39:26 |
| I've heard some Muslims say that the Quran "talks about" evolution from this verse: "We made from water every living thing. Will they not then believe?" (Surah Al-Anbiyaa Surah 21 Ayah 30)" AND 'And Allah has created every animal from water; of them there are some that creep on their bellies; some that walk on two legs; and some that walk on four. Allah creates what He wills: for Allah has power over all things. (Quran 24.45) Obviously, the evlutionists believe that life started in water from single celled organisms. Of course, we can question how "correct" they are. But, some other Muslims think evolution might have happened among other animals, but not humans. As far as I know, Darwin was an athiest. |
| NS |
| 06/13/04 at 08:41:34 |
| tripplea |
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| Ember |
| 06/17/04 at 17:30:35 |
| [slm] I am not sure if saying that we are linked to Apes is Islamic but "evolution" means more than this. For example, we are still evolving due to environmental stimuli and natural selection. So it might not be easy to completely trash evolution... |
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| Aabidah |
| 06/24/04 at 05:13:10 |
| Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatuh, It's very interesting reading all the comments of my brothers and sisters. However, I do have to warn everybody about one thing. Evolution, Darwin's Theory, the expected meaning of the ayaat in the Qur'an or any other information is not up to us to criticize. It's great that evidence is being put forth but when some are analyzing the ayaat of the Qur'an, what they think it means or should mean, that's not right. Tafseer is not left for us and I would greatly appreciate it if we did not express our ideas about ayaat or ahadeeth because we are not scholars, but students of this deen. It is a heavy burden to draw a conclusion from both resources, so please take that into consideration. We do not want to be committing sins when discussions issues. Also, about the issue of Harun Yahya, I know a lot about him, his past and his work. I am also Turkish so I have read many of his works and been a part of his discussions. Please be careful in what you say about him. Alhamdulillah he is a dear person at heart. Jazakum Allahu khayran. Please forgive me if I have offended anyone for that was not my intention. Wassalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullah, Betul |
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