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nida
06/08/04 at 20:04:01
[slm] everyone,
does anyone else feel this?

its that feeling when you experience something and YOU CAN SWEAR you have felt it before, but in reality you haven't. For example, you go to a new place and you feel like you have been there, but actually you haven't. my question is....is there any islamic basis for this? or is it just one of those tricks with the brain?

jazakallah khair

06/08/04 at 20:09:29
nida
Re: deja vu
theOriginal
06/09/04 at 08:46:25
[slm]

It's a glitch in the Matrix.

Wasalaam :)
Re: deja vu
tripplea
06/09/04 at 21:39:15
[quote author=JustOne link=board=lighthouse;num=1086735841;start=0#1 date=06/09/04 at 08:46:25] [slm]

It's a glitch in the Matrix.

Wasalaam :)[/quote]

[slm]

LOL!! :D :D :D

I don't know. But dreams and dream-related things are taken seriously in Islam. Yusuf (PBUH) used to interpret dreams. Surely this means that dreams can be used to predict the future?
06/09/04 at 21:42:33
tripplea
Re: deja vu
ltcorpest2
06/09/04 at 23:29:33
For some reason it seems like we have had this topic before.
Re: deja vu
jannah
06/10/04 at 03:38:52
lol @ mike

sometimes i get deja vu when a particular smell or site or thing brings up a memory but i can't quite place the memory...
Re: deja vu
UmmWafi
06/10/04 at 04:22:11
[slm]

I get this deja vu thingy quite often. Or maybe its my mind acting up. Hmm..

However, I once listened to a lecture abt souls and this speaker (cant remember his name) was saying that when we are asleep, our souls leave our body and wander.  Sometimes we meet other souls and experience stuff.  That is why we have "instinctive" like and dislike abt people we meet for the first time and also why some places and stuff are familiar to us.  Dunno the authenticity of his claims but made sense at that time.

Wassalam
Re: deja vu
bhaloo
06/10/04 at 08:53:55
[slm]

I've had dreams about future events, and a few years later, or a few months later, they happened.
Re: deja vu
timbuktu
06/10/04 at 09:22:00
[slm] It has happened to me many times, though not recently.
Re: deja vu
Abu_Hamza
06/10/04 at 14:38:48
[slm]

[quote author=UmmWafi link=board=lighthouse;num=1086735841;start=0#5 date=06/10/04 at 04:22:11] However, I once listened to a lecture abt souls and this speaker (cant remember his name) was saying that when we are asleep, our souls leave our body and wander.  Sometimes we meet other souls and experience stuff.  That is why we have "instinctive" like and dislike abt people we meet for the first time and also why some places and stuff are familiar to us.  Dunno the authenticity of his claims but made sense at that time.[/quote]

That is what Ibnul Qayyim says in his book, al-Ruh.

Wallahu a'lam.
Re: deja vu
tree
06/11/04 at 05:17:59
[slm]

do you ever have dreams that are so real that when you wake up you feel as though these events happened and they are part of your everyday life...in some strange way?  This happens to me often, and sometimes even months down the line  if i think about that "event" i feel as though it actually happened!  In fact, this happened a few nights ago, when i was visiting new york and met jannah as well as a few others  :o  it *feels* real, but of course i *know* that i've never been there or met these people....or have i ;)
Re: deja vu
Emerald
06/16/04 at 21:22:55
I'm a HUGE believer in de ja vu. It happens to me alot! And it's definately no glitch in the matrix, hehehe. No one in my family could explain it to me and I think in a way they thought I was nuts but I know what I sense. I think Umm Wafi's explanation was the first time I heard anybody confirm these feelings from a religious perspective.

Emerald
Re: deja vu
Barr
06/26/04 at 21:08:37
[wlm] warahmatullah wabarakaatuh,

This issue was asked during the retreat @ the Adirondacks. Here's a summary of the answer given.

The ruh (spirit) is an entity that is not bounded by space and time. Our ruh can travel, while we are asleep or even while we are awake, at levels that are more abstract than our 4D world. Since it is not bounded by time, it can go forward in time. Hence, we experience de-ja vu, or even dreams that tell of the future.

Ruhs can also meet with each other in its own realm, and as Ummwafi said - sometimes, we can either feel as if we know a person for a vey long time, eventhough we just met him/ her or we feel an instinctive dislike for a person. I think there's an athar which relates to this.


Allahua'lam

Re: deja vu
Abu_Atheek
06/27/04 at 08:45:18
[slm]

Love: Mark of the Muslim Community

Whenever Islamic society exists, the mark of that society is the love which its individual members feel toward one another. An individual in the Islamic society tries to fulfil whatever duties are assigned to him or her. It is also demonstrated in the way Muslims hurry to help one another in every situation which requires help. The absence of this love foretells a weakness of the bond of faith and, indeed, a weakness of faith itself.

Scholars of the early period of Islam, when love and companionship were very strong in the Muslim community, used to say that the first tie to disappear is the bond of unity and love between believers. This means that its loss signals weakness of faith which leads to a total change in people's behavior. This statement is not made in a leisurely way. It is indeed learned from the companions of the Prophet who must have had firm grounds to make such a statement. That sound ground could only be that they must have heard it, or something similar to it, from the Prophet himself.

Indeed the Prophet makes a very similar statement and in much stronger terms. In a Hadith, Abu Hurairah quotes the Prophet as saying: "By Him who holds my soul in His hand, you shall never be admitted into heaven until you have accepted Islam; and you do not truly accept Islam until you love one another. Spread the greeting of peace in order to love one another. Beware of hatred, because it is the razor. I do not say that it shaves hair, but it shaves religion altogether." (Related by Al-Bukhari in Al-AdabAl-Mufrad, Muslim, Abu Dawood and IbnMajah.)

There can be no stronger warning against allowing hatred to exist within the Muslim community. The Muslims have a keen sense of the need to preserve their faith. When something threatens the existence of faith in their community, it must be viewed with utmost seriousness.

They know that when they abandon faith, they revert back to a state of unfaith which, in their sense, makes their life take a fashion akin to that of animals. In their sense, which is the true sense, it is faith which gives to human life its meaning and its distinction from the life of animals. Hence, when something is described by the Prophet as razor which shaves faith altogether, then it must be something to guard against. That is why a true believer in Islam does not allow himself to entertain any evil thought against his fellow Muslims. He does not allow a feeling of hatred to exist within him.

The Prophet' s companions were keenly aware of this fact. They knew that prior to becoming Muslims, their ties had a very narrow-minded basis. They fought with their tribes against people with whom they truly had no quarrel. Moreover, the quality of their lives left much to be desired. Hence, they would never barter away the elevation which they had experienced for anything in the world.

They demonstrated a bond of love for each other which was unequaled in any human society. Whenever a Muslim community exists, it must have the same strong feelings of unity, brotherhood, love and companionship among its members. Otherwise, it is not a truly Islamic community.

Other communities may speak of a tie of brotherhood or citizenship or a tribal tie which unites them. None has a real substance as that of the brotherhood and companionship that exist between Muslims. This is not surprising because it is a quality which God has planted within the Muslim community. Indeed, God Himself points to this in the Qur'an, when He addresses the Prophet mentioning the love and companionship which He has established in the hearts of the believers as one of the favors which He has granted to the Prophet. "It is He who has strengthened you with victory (given to you by Him) and with the believers whose hearts He has united. Had you spent all wealth on earth, you could not have united their hearts, but God has brought about this unity between their hearts. He is almighty, wise." (8: 62-63)

This unity and feelings of love and companionship are, then, the work of God Himself. They are substantive, not abstract. It brings their hearts and their souls together. This is what the Prophet points out in a Hadith reported by Abdullah ibn Amr ibn Al-Aas, one of the highly learned companions of the Prophet: [i]"The souls of two believers would meet when they are as far apart as the distance covered by a traveler in a full day, although neither of them has seen his fellow believer." (Related by Ahmad and Al-Bukhari in Al-Adab Al-Mufrad.) This Hadith speaks of an actual meeting of souls despite the fact that the two believers are physically wide apart. Moreover, their souls meet although they themselves do not know each other.[/i]

The love that exists between them is generated by their common belief in God and in Islam. That is certainly a strong tie which cannot be easily overlooked. How souls meet is something which we cannot tell, since knowledge of the world of souls and spirits is the preserve of God. He instructs the Prophet in the Qur'an to say to those who have asked him about the soul that "the knowledge of the soul belongs to God alone."

That they meet, however, is something we know for certain, because the Prophet speaks about it. He tells us: "Souls are like soldiers: those who have  common grounds are united, and those who have no common grounds between them remain in conflict."

This is something that the companions of the Prophet have always confirmed. No lesser an authority than Abdullah ibn Abbas, the Prophet's cousin and learned companion says: "Favors may be met with ingratitude and kinship may be severed. However, we have seen nothing stronger than hearts drawing close to each other. "They can draw close together through faith. This is the meaning of the Qur'anic verses quoted above.

In practical terms, this love, unity and feeling of companionship demonstrate themselves in a variety of ways. Perhaps the most vivid of these ways is seen in the way the Muslim community looks after the weak, the poor, the widows, the elderly and the very young.

[i]Author:      Adil Salahi
Published in:      Islam in Perspective Page of Arab News
Date:            30 April 1999 (Friday)[/i]
Re: deja vu
Trustworthy
06/29/04 at 23:54:41
[slm]...

doo doo doo doo doo doo Welcome to the twilight zone.  Just kidding.  You know what else I heard about our ruh?  That if you sleep with make up on, when your ruh leaves your body and comes back to it, it does not recognize it because of the makeup, it won't enter.  I don't beleive that, but I'm not taking my chances.

But back to the subject, deja-vu happens to me all the time, the irony of that is, I'm so forgetful of things so sometimes, I really was there before and actually knew that person.  Go figure!

Ma-asslaamah.....
Re: deja vu
Orange_Tree
08/04/04 at 14:17:39
   [slm]

Sorry if I'm reviving an old thread.  I've only just read it today and this cracked me up:

[quote]You know what else I heard about our ruh?  That if you sleep with make up on, when your ruh leaves your body and comes back to it, it does not recognize it because of the makeup, it won't enter.  I don't beleive that, but I'm not taking my chances. [/quote]

If ever there was a reason to take your make up off before you sleep, this is it!  

I don't get deja vu much at all.  I thought it was trick of the mind but now this thread is getting me to think otherwise.  I think my soul must be very shy (just like its owner!)  cos I don't feel that instant recognition.  My dreams have been a bit disburbing as well but I try not to dwell on them.  
Re: deja vu
Zara
09/25/04 at 08:53:52
[slm]

:-)

I dream of locations like mosques and events which occur in the future.  I usually visit the places and events occur either weeks, months or even years later.  

Sometimes it's like viewing snapshops or pieces in a puzzle, the whole thing does not come into a context until it happens in real life.  

[wlm]
Zara

09/25/04 at 08:54:30
Zara
Re: deja vu
eleanor
09/25/04 at 15:28:13
[slm]

Just a little anecdote to keep the thread moving  ;)

My sister told me she had a college-mate who was doing photography. One day he was in the dark room doing developing when he saw his friend out of the corner of his eye, standing to the side and a bit behind him. However when he turned to look and talk to him, he wasn't there. The funny thing was that his friend was in the US at the time, so he would have been surprised to see him if he was there.
Later that day his friend called him from the US. It was morning time over there and he had just gotten up. He wanted to call him because he had had a vivid dream that he was in the dark room at college watching his friend develop photos.

Now *that* is twilight zone....

wasalaam
eleanor


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