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| Anonymous |
| 06/28/04 at 22:21:53 |
| Assalamualaikum :) Did anyone here watch this movie? What did you all think of it? |
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| deenb4dunya |
| 06/29/04 at 01:29:45 |
| Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullaah... AMAZING :-)... Absolutely amazing. MashAllah MM did an awesome job... he didn't go too deep off the conspiracy theory end such that people would consider him crazy/ not heed his message. He had good factual evidence for most of what he said. On the downside, not of the movie but of my reaction... the state of Saudi Arabia is frightening. There is A LOT of unemplyment and poverty in the country and TONS of issues within, yet Saudi has billions invested in the United States... why? And I hate the way MM says 'Saudis'... he's like "sawdees" ::)... really annoying after awhile. On a related note, another frightening trend in our community is the anti-Saudi sentiments that are flying high. There are public records that show that there is a very serious and very real agenda to make traditional North American Muslims hate Saudi and lose their attachment to it... At the recent ISNA- Canada conference there was one speaker who ripped Saudis and 'Wahhabis' apart several times. This including calling for all Saudi authored Qur'aan translations to be thrown out the window :o ! Sorry I'm going off topic, but this seems like a noteworthy threat we should be aware of. I remember one Shaikh, may Allaah preserve him, warning us that we should not allow current events and conflicts to deter us from the love we should have for Makkah and Medina and their surroundings as this region is the most beloved region on earth to Allaah swt and thus we as Muslims should consider thus. WAllaahu Ta'aala 'Alam. Wassalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullaah, Mujahada. |
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| jannah |
| 06/29/04 at 05:13:47 |
| [wlm] Agreed... I haven't seen the movie but i know it's extremely anti-saudi. Basically he's pointing out the hypocrisy the US has towards certain countries and not others. I think he should have focused on Israel instead, alot easier to prove but probably would get alot of backlash for it. I think we should be careful about anti-saudi sentiment as well. The greater master plan of carving up the middle east includes making makkah and madina tiny vaticans while controlling the vast resources of the rest of the land. |
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| Maliha |
| 06/29/04 at 05:33:57 |
| [slm] i went to see it too this weekend :) Mashaallah:) I am still in the process of formulating a little reflections for it. Moore did an amazing job! The sub-themes were actually a *lot* more powerful than what he set out to do. The whole bush bin laden/saudi connection was not as impressive to me. Part of the evidence seemed a bit sketchy, but the other part is "so what?". When bush says "Saudia are our *allies*" thats really what he means. I remember it struck me when those many photos of Saudis shaking hands with the Bush's were flipping through the screen....i was like "wow..these are the people they might be ressurrected with!" **the horror!** :o His treatment of the war however had me literally bawling! :'( It was sooo powerful, from who the US chooses to recruit, to the mother losing her son, to the grotesque scenes in Iraq. The one scene where the Iraqi woman was grieving, gave me nightmares...when she kept saying "Allahu Akbar", and calling on Allah...I felt i think for the first time, the weight of our connection as Muslim brothers and sisters....what was i doing in a movie theater when my mom, aunts, brothers, sisters were living in such agony? :( Mujahada, as Muslims we are required to stand up for Justice *even* against our own selves. As muslims, we haven't been too good at the justice part, especially when it comes to protecting our own. Is the Saudi government steeped in corruption? yes. Are they oppressing the Muslim masses, benevolently of course, for the sake of pandering to the West? yes! Do Muslims have a right everywhere, to be outraged by their abuse of power? yes. But I guess my question why are you connecting the Saudi government to Makkah and Madina? To me the holiness of the two blessed cities, are totally separate from the ruling class there. In fact, many Muslims have commented that the only reason they would keep going back to Saudi is precisely to visit the Kaabah, and step into the peaceful abode of our beloved Prophet [saw]. I would keep them separate. The rising anti Saudi sentiment correlates to the rising Anti American sentiment. What is going on in terms of torture, murder and devastation of the Muslims in Iraq, palestine, *Sudan*, chechen, etc. etc. has gone on for too long....far too long...none of this would have happened without our own complicit signature. May Allah forgive us (amin). [wlm] |
| 06/29/04 at 05:39:27 |
| Maliha |
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| deenb4dunya |
| 06/29/04 at 11:36:28 |
| Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullaah, [quote] Mujahada, as Muslims we are required to stand up for Justice *even* against our own selves. As muslims, we haven't been too good at the justice part, especially when it comes to protecting our own. Is the Saudi government steeped in corruption? yes. Are they oppressing the Muslim masses, benevolently of course, for the sake of pandering to the West? yes! Do Muslims have a right everywhere, to be outraged by their abuse of power? yes. But I guess my question why are you connecting the Saudi government to Makkah and Madina? To me the holiness of the two blessed cities, are totally separate from the ruling class there. In fact, many Muslims have commented that the only reason they would keep going back to Saudi is precisely to visit the Kaabah, and step into the peaceful abode of our beloved Prophet . I would keep them separate. The rising anti Saudi sentiment correlates to the rising Anti American sentiment. What is going on in terms of torture, murder and devastation of the Muslims in Iraq, palestine, *Sudan*, chechen, etc. etc. has gone on for too long....far too long...none of this would have happened without our own complicit signature. [/quote] I don't think you understood what I meant. Of course Muslims worldwide should hate to see the corruption of the Saudi government, and be legitimately angered by their policies etc. HOWEVER, this hate should end there. For example, as I had mentioned, there is a very public agenda to turn traditional Muslims against 'fundamentalist' Muslims (sorry to have to borrow the term). This includes encouraginig diagreements amongst them and discouraging any type of alliance and cooperation. (See http://www.rand.org/publications/MR/MR1716/MR1716.sum.pdf for more info). This becomes manifest when you hear speakers ripping the wahabbis apart (ex: throw away all their Qur'aan translations and other English books) and respected members in the community discouragning people from going to study Islam in Saudi because the shuyookh their are extreme. You're probably thinking how are the two connected? Well when Muslims start to see the shuyookh and the literature etc produced in Saudi as wrong and extreme and start dissing it publicly etc... the reverence and love the Muslims have for that region decreases. It's about Makkah and Medina first, but gthe surrounding regions are also blessed and are to be held dear by Muslims. I'm not sure if I have communicated what I mean very well, but it's hard to describe... just a lot of Muslims hate Saudi nto so much for the corruption of the government but because they are too extreme etc.. and then people are discouraged from going there except for hajj and the Muslim North American attachment to that region decreases. I've even heard some people say that this is in preparation for an attack there of some sort in the not so distant future... by that point... Allaahu 'Alam. Wassalamu Alaikum wa Rahmatullaah, Mujahada. |
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| Maliha |
| 06/29/04 at 11:57:26 |
| [slm] I can't get you online...so i will bother you here :P Okay I totally get your first point..the Divide and conquer strategy. We should be definitely wary of dissing other Muslims especially on ideological issues that in most cases we are completely ignorant about. But we also need to have open lines of communication *within*, so we can engage each other in a healthy way and exchange ideas etc. I still don't get your second point. We have to have allegiance to the Arab *geographic* region? Where is the evidence for that? [wlm] |
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| Sparrow |
| 06/30/04 at 18:19:48 |
| Hey All: I haven't seen 9/11 but I would be cautious in accepting anything that Michael Moore has to say, even if his basic opinions agreed with my thoughts on something....he has been caught in half-truths and lies in his other films, representing things as truth or a "documentary" moment and then later, when pressed, admitting that scenes had been staged when previously he claimed that they weren't. He also has a habit of claiming truth in his films and then when he is confronted with evidence to the contrary he retreats into "I'm a filmmaker and a comedian, you're not supposed to take what I say seriously." As I said I have not seen the film so maybe someone can speak to this: I heard that he (Moore) makes the point in the film that Bin Laden is the party behind 9/11 and that the 9/11 Iraq connection is totally manufcactured by the Bush war machine. This is totally contrary to post 9/11 when MM was all over the media yelling against going into Afghanistan because this is America and Bin Laden should be considered innocent until proven guilty. Is there anything in the film that details why MM changed his mind about this and now considers OBL the bad guy? Have I missed some irrefutable evidence of OBL's guilt in the last few years? Thanks in advance for comments. Sparroow |
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| Maliha |
| 07/01/04 at 05:57:25 |
| [slm] hmmm...why do i have the feeling that i am the unofficial MM spokeswoman ::) and am i the only other person who saw this movie??? Sparrow, Mike raised more questions than made assertions. He questioned that *if* bush knew it was OBL (was it on the same day that Al Qaeda and OBL were mentioned on the media??) then why did he allow his family to fly out without questioning them at least?? He also pointed out the hypocrisy with the Saud family and the connections that exist there. To me this was probably the most un-impressive part of the movie, and not even the bulk of the movie... He makes other social commentary about the war, recruitment, etc. that I thought was *too* powerful.... I really admire MM because" a) he stands up for what he considers to be the Truth b)took on the Bush administration at a time when everyone was basically spineless, (a feat that even Kerry can not seem to accomplish!) c) His social commentary is extremely insightful, even if some of the facts maybe questionable. As far as facts, I am soooo jaded, I don't really trust anyone. And really everything he says, is researchable. It's not some out there conspiracy theory...its just pointing out the inconsistencies in the administration's stand point. A fact which I really appreciated. I really think everyone should see this movie..and on principle too...if someone is willing to chalk out 8-10 bucks on an unsubstantial movie like "troy",(heehee...can't wait to hear the outrage on that statement) your money will be well spent at this *intellectual* and *conscience* provoking movie. Wa Allahu Ta'ala A'alam. (Allah knows best). [wlm] |
| 07/01/04 at 06:01:29 |
| Maliha |
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| Kathy |
| 07/03/04 at 10:28:58 |
| [slm] I want to see the film... but not brave enough to go into the theater, an obvious Muslim, a representation of the bad guy! |
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| sabeena |
| 07/05/04 at 09:12:15 |
| [slm] i just saw the movie a couple of minutes ago. it was really awsome,a real eye opener, but one thing i think was missing was that what abt all the ppl who died in afghanistan? he hardly makes any mention of that, except for at the end of the movie. i remember him saying somthing like 'without having really having done anything' abt the american troops in afghanistan, he makes no mention of the carpet bombings and all the innocent civillians. ( maybe i just missed that part) also like one of the other sisters said, he doesnt even say anything abt the involvement of isreal. my mom asked me how the movie was and i told her abt it not saying anything abt isreal and what she said was really interesting and i just wanted to ask u all what u guys think. the movie was released just before the elections in november and it is undoubtebly going to have a major effect on the decisions of the voters who watch it. she said the real ppl behind the making of the movie are the AIPACs( the Zionist lobby).i asked her how would this make sense since the movie criticises the war on Iraq etc., and arent these ppl supposed to be really supportive of it? she said that they make others do their work ie, use them (in this case it would be bush) and after their done with their job, they dump them themselves. an exampel would be for those of u who know anything abt pakistan, that of zia ul haqq, after he brought martial rule and stuff and ruined pakistan, he died in a mysterios planecrash with all his generals and classified information papers inside the plane. so now that theyve used bush and hes done his job, THEY themselves r going to make sure he loses the elections so that somebody else can come and take his place. i know this is just another one of those conspiracy theories, but i really think their is ssome truth in it. i jsut wanted to ask u all wat u think. and what else??????? im never gonna forget the part where they show an iraqi man pointing to a piece of flesh/body part saying 'ithink that is part of my neighbor's body'. and already being an insomniac, i can c another row of sleepless nights coming up. one thing i really liked abt the movie was that it showed the families of victims (us soldiers killed) saying that they dont know what the war was abt. it just goes to show the american ppl that the only victims in this war rnt only the innocent civillians in iraq and afghanistan and elsewhere, there not the only ones being effected, they (the american ppll) r too, their own sons and daughters adn husband/wives being killed in a useless war. makes u think. ok thats all i have to say, i think ive gone on long enough. the movie is a must see. masalaam :-) |
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| Maliha |
| 07/05/04 at 11:35:19 |
| [slm] Kathy are you a Muslim representation of Bush ??? Cuz that is overwhelmingly the "bad" guy in the movie. I got a lot of curtsey nods from people as we walked out..it was cute. you don't have nothing to worry about, as the blame rests squarely on bush's shoulders on this one. sigh....If I had money I would do what Christians did for "The Passion", buy out theaters and just let the masses go see it....if wishes were horses huh? [wlm] |
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| theOriginal |
| 07/09/04 at 14:04:38 |
| [slm] Okay so like...I have nothing to say except that I saw it and it was good, although I recognize that it's because MM is good at what he does, not because he's necessarily a very scholarly person, since he tends to omit very relevant facts. The main thing we need to concentrate on here is that it's spelled Fahrenheit. Thanks :) Wasalaam. |
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| peaceman04 |
| 07/24/04 at 05:29:34 |
| Let me preface this by saying I am not a Muslim. I am white, middle/upper middle classed male in my late 20's/early 30's. The reason I come to this website is so I can see a very different point of view from what I've come to see as fairly well educated mostly muslim people. Now...about the movie. I saw it 2 days ago with my girlfriend. She is a democrat and I tend to sway towards the right. Needless to say most discussions about politics end up in a fight with her. I can honestly say I went to this movie with an open mind, but I have to say it was mostly bulls%$t. MM has an agenda as does anyone else in his field and in politics. I appreciate the fact that he showed us the friendships/alliances Bush and other governing parties had with people involved with Iraq and Afghanistan. In the majority of the newspapers/news I see and read I was unaware of some of what he claimed to be fact. Of which I do not doubt. However, I can't believe how incredibly moronic he was in a few parts of this film. I wish I had brought a notepad so I could list them all, but assuming you too went into it with an open mind you probably got what I did out of it. And as far as "who the military recruits". They have recruiters EVERYWHERE. There were recruiters in the lunchrooms of all 3 of the highschools I attended at various times. When you turn 18 you have to register with selective service. They call you. No matter who you are or what income your family may make. Colleges have ROTC programs. I personally know people that have been in them. I was totally offended to see him portray the military as only going after the poor or the minorities. And here's a tip. When you join the military, or police force, firedepartment etc. You might lose your life! Noone drafted these kids into the army. They CHOSE to go. Just like I chose not too. Mainly because I dont like being told when to sleep eat and s*#t. While it is sad that people die while doing these jobs it is an occupational hazard. Most of the deaths of detainess were not made public to the US population. Only after the leak about the photos/videos was this knowledge made aware, and even then not to the fullest extent. Americans as a whole do not condone these actions, and I dont need some fat guy that needs a shave and most likely a bath to tell me I should be embarrased by it. I had to laugh when I saw him approach congressmen and ask them to sign up their kids for the military. News flash idiot! You can't sign up your children for military service. You need to be 18 and sign up yourself. So go to the homes of all the goverment officials children over the age of 18 and ask them. Totally moronic. Maybe if I rode around in an icecream truck and read a bill I could make myself look like more of an ass? I'm not trying to offend any of you, so If I am please accept my apology. This is not my intent. The "facts" he shows in this movie are by all means enlightening to most, but his "views" are totally biased and make up the majority of the film which makes it to me annoying and almost laughable. If there's 1 thing I have learned in my life is to realize everyone is going to portray something to you in a way that will hopefully make you feel the same way they do. Of all the military personel he picks this 1 woman. There's like 120,000 or so US troops in Iraq. 903 have died. I know this was only a 2 hour movie, but please...He could have easily found parents of another soldier and got the exact opposite response. Yet instead he chooses to show this 1 woman who will make the audience sympothise with his hate Bush agenda. Is Bush a moron sometimes...yes. Does he make bad decisions sometimes....yes. Does that make him the Devil? I don't think so. 1 of the theorys I did get out of this was that somehow the Bush's and Saudi's planned this 30 years ago? Did anyone else see that? The girlfriend didn't. Maybe I'm just insane. Anyway. I have ranted too long. If you actually made it to the end thanks. And no...just because I am an American and white doesn't mean I hate Muslim people. Peace. |
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| lucid9 |
| 07/24/04 at 08:53:55 |
| [quote author=peaceman04 link=board=kabob;num=1088472114;start=10#12 date=07/24/04 at 05:29:34] I can honestly say I went to this movie with an open mind, but I have to say it was mostly bulls%$t. [/quote] Wow, you really are openminded -- calling something bullshit, i.e. devoid of any value or lacking any points. Even the most closeminded person would admit that MM raises some interesting points and makes some thought provoking analysis. With openminded folk like you, it is no wonder that the rest of us americans feel incredibly embarrassed by folks like you. [quote] And as far as "who the military recruits". They have recruiters EVERYWHERE. There were recruiters in the lunchrooms of all 3 of the highschools I attended at various times. When you turn 18 you have to register with selective service. They call you. No matter who you are or what income your family may make. Colleges have ROTC programs. I personally know people that have been in them. [/quote] Hellllo! Everybody has to register with the military. But still only the poorest or those wanting an ROTC scholarship actually join. The only non-poor friends I had who joined did it for an ROTC scholarship...and they never dreamed of actually having to go to war for anything so silly as Iraq. [quote] I was totally offended to see him portray the military as only going after the poor or the minorities. And here's a tip. When you join the military, or police force, firedepartment etc. You might lose your life! Noone drafted these kids into the army. They CHOSE to go. Just like I chose not too. Mainly because I dont like being told when to sleep eat and s*#t. While it is sad that people die while doing these jobs it is an occupational hazard. [/quote] THEY CHOSE TO!?? ???!!! THEY CHOSE TO!!! This obnoxious comment is what me respond. They chose to because they have deadend lives, because they were shortshrifted by their schools, by the rightwing politicians who don't give a damn that inner school schools are often worse than most schools in the third world. These folks have been cheated of everything that is American, and the people who have cheated them are rightwingers who fly the flag the highest, who suckered them into protecting them with their lives!! Imagine, they have been hired to kill and be killed for folks who wouldn't dare send their own kids! Not convinced? Why did so many black people fight in WWII and KOREA and even Vietnam, and fight on the frontlines -- when they couldn't even use the same toilets as whitefolk, mingle with them freely, and were generally treated like dirt. BECAUSE they had nothing else. When your grandparents were slaves, you don't an education because the government isn't interested in educating you, you become willing to even sell your life for a regular paycheck. The same philosophy still exists. [quote] Of all the military personel he picks this 1 woman. There's like 120,000 or so US troops in Iraq. 903 have died. I know this was only a 2 hour movie, but please...He could have easily found parents of another soldier and got the exact opposite response. Yet instead he chooses to show this 1 woman who will make the audience sympothise with his hate Bush agenda. [/quote] That woman was shown because she was right-leaning and a fan of the military. She is interesting because the war changed her from a hawk into something much less. Her example is very compelling. If you can not see that, you have some serious blinders on.. [quote] And no...just because I am an American and white doesn't mean I hate Muslim people. [/quote] The very fact that you even mention it means the link is not totally tenuous. There are lots of folks in this country who have no idea what what this country is really about, about what it means to be american. The rest of us are ashamed to be associated with such people, and embarrassed that they so tarnish the image of America and everything it stands for. |
| 07/24/04 at 11:50:00 |
| lucid9 |
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| theOriginal |
| 07/24/04 at 09:49:45 |
| [slm] Woah that's harsh brother hyper...if this is in the name of discussion, then everyone's opinion is valid. Michael Moore is not a blithering idiot, but like everyone else, he plays on the emotional response he can get by sensationalizng the truth. He does not provide the whole story, simply because that is not his aim to begin with. He wanted to a) make Bush seem like he was evil, b) make the Saudis seem like they are evil, c) sympathize with everyone else. Whether or not he accomplished that depends on how it is received by the general public.. Granted, I completely agree with brother hyper that the people who "choose" to enter the military oftentimes really don't have all that much of a "choice"...and the recruiters know that there is no feasible alternative for these young people. Peaceman04, it's sad that it's this "fat man who needs a shave and most likely a bath" that is doing the job that politicians should be doing, i.e. criticizing the actions of the administration. The irony is that the only way MM can raise questions is only by showing is inherent bias. I was watching a rerun of a previous season's "The Real World" (it was the ONLY thing on in English at 1 am), and this one kid goes "I support my President no matter what.." To me, regardless of his bias, this attitude of "no matter what" is exactly what MM is trying to question, and I think it's great, even if he did stretch the truth somewhat. Wasalaam.. |
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| ltcorpest2 |
| 07/24/04 at 14:48:56 |
| Peaceman04, One thing that I see from your post is that when you visit someones website is that you naturally show a certain amount of respect. I would think that using words such as where you need to use *#(@ are not appropriate words. And welcome to the board!! Also, if you are a conservative and going to a Michael Moore movie, Is that possible to be open minded? I am a conservative (somewhat, more libertarian, but I really do not want to explain for the millionth time) and there is no way in the world i could be open minded at a Michael Moore movie. I could not even say that to fool people. It was kinda weird statement at the end of your post Peaceman. Do you think that white Americans hate muslims as a general rule? I have no plans at this time to go see the film, but if ever i am stressed out enough I might go watch it for some comedic relief. |
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| peaceman04 |
| 07/25/04 at 11:43:49 |
| "THEY CHOSE TO!?? !!! THEY CHOSE TO!!! This obnoxious comment is what me respond. They chose to because they have deadend lives, because they were shortshrifted by their schools, by the rightwing politicians who don't give a [darn] that inner school schools are often worse than most schools in the third world. These folks have been cheated of everything that is American, and the people who have cheated them are rightwingers who fly the flag the highest, who suckered them into protecting them with their lives" Yes you are correct thats THE only reason why. I guess no doctors or lawyers, policemen, teachers, nurses, or anything else comes out of these neighborhoods then huh? Probably not even a manager of a McDonalds or even perhaps a social worker. Oh, and all the people I know that were in ROTC programs did not come from poor or underprivileged families. So please don't talk about my experiences like they are yours. "That woman was shown because she was right-leaning and a fan of the military. She is interesting because the war changed her from a hawk into something much less. Her example is very compelling." Well...If you bothered to read and understand I said I simply hated the fact that it was so one sided. That he should show the other side, and yes there is one believe me. Like I said numerous times he had an agenda. By using this woman he found a perfect example that he himself probably couldn't have written better. And again. That's 1 in 903+ or even 1 in 120,000+. The fact that he was so onesided in this movie is what made me think it was total BS. I already said how I like the facts that he used. I simply didn't appreciate the far left approach he used. If you can't understand that maybe it is you who are wearing the blinders. I was giving my opinion about a movie, not of the people that expressed their views. And it is not me that most Americans are embarresed by. It would be someone that can't read and comprehend a simple statement I think. "it was kinda weird statement at the end of your post Peaceman. Do you think that white Americans hate muslims as a general rule?" I do not think white Americans hate muslims. You misunderstood me. Let me explain. From all the news I read and see on television I personally feel like Muslims hate me. Whether it's because I am white and/or American. In my personal life I see this Muslim couple probably 2 or 3 times a week for the last 3 years. They live in the townhouse across from my girlfriend. We both and seperately on numerous occasions have attempted to speak to them or simply say hello as a friendly neighbor and they just look away. While their 2 children dont seem to be bothered by us the parents for whatever reason simply do not speak to us. And finally Hyper. I respect your opinion. If you don't like mine that's fine. But please don't talk about being a true American when you cannot respect and tolerate anothers views especially when they are not hurting anyone else. You picked through my response to find what you wanted as opposed to taking it as a whole. And when you refer to African Americans in WW2 and Korea etc. and how they were treated by others. That was America at the time. There were and are still many social inequalities and injustices, but we have come a long long way since then. Comparing ww2 with Iraq is a joke. We were attacked and forced to join WW2. Iraq is more like Vietnam. We shouldn't even be there. White, Black, Green, Orange or otherwise. If you want to believe there is some kind of conspiracy that the goverment keeps certain areas poor just so they can recruit members of the military then fine go ahead. I think you're wrong, but hey it's America I'm allowed to right? Mike thanks for the welcome. I'll try to watch the explatives, and yes you can have an open mind when it comes to MM. I was at a friends house reading one of his conspiracy theory books a week or two ago before I saw the movie. That's what actually made me want to go see it. JustOne I liked your response as well. :-[ Have a good week. I look forward to reading more of your responses Peace |
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| lucid9 |
| 07/25/04 at 13:04:15 |
| [quote author=peaceman04 link=board=kabob;num=1088472114;start=10#16 date=07/25/04 at 11:43:49] From all the news I read and see on television I personally feel like Muslims hate me. Whether it's because I am white and/or American. [/quote] Interesting....you feel that muslims hate you but chide muslims when they think they might be hated. Personally, i don't have to watch tv to know that some Americans hate people like me. I just have to reach back into my own history....like when in 9th grade my history teacher told my Jewish English teacher that because i was muslim i would grow up to be a terrorist and kill her later in life. And this is not a joke! Perhaps to my history teacher's dismay i ended up being one of my Jewish English teacher's favourite students and she wrote my recommendations for college. Be careful when you talk about hate...as a non-minority...you have no idea what its like to grow up with the wrong skin color and the wrong religion in parts of this country. God bless America, and at the same time may God curse the idiots who abuse the lofty morals she stands for... |
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| peaceman04 |
| 07/25/04 at 22:25:08 |
| Well, your history teacher should've been fired. And as far as "Be careful when you talk about hate...as a non-minority...you have no idea what its like to grow up with the wrong skin color and the wrong religion in parts of this country." Maybe it's because I was raised not to let skin color or religion affect my feeling about another human being. You seem to have a chip on your shoulder about something, and for this I am sorry for you. Who and how was I chiding? |
| Farenheit 9/11, a MUST see!! |
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| resistance4ever |
| 09/13/04 at 13:03:47 |
| [slm] I have recently seen this film and it is absolutely amazing and shocking! I would urge everyone who hasnt seen it to watch it, especially americans. Here's what some people thought of it from around the world.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/talking_point/3839041.stm this film is a MUST see |
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| Asia |
| 09/14/04 at 05:44:03 |
| Well.. if it's as good as Bowling for Columbine , then it is, indeed, a must see! I've heard a lOt about it, but I'm nost sure mum will allow me to go to the cinema to watch it .. I might have to wait till it's out on video >_< |
| Re: Farenheit 9/11, a MUST see!! |
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| nida |
| 09/14/04 at 19:22:02 |
| [wlm] Oh yes, it is a good movie. Lets just say that its full of surprises. I was almost crying when the showed the brutally injured Iraqi civilians, and the lady who was crying, "Ya Allah, Ya Allah!!" :( |
| Re: Farenheit 9/11 ? |
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| workingmuslimah |
| 10/07/04 at 13:27:49 |
| Definitely a must-see. It just came out on DVD here and I bought it and watched it yesterday. I laughed and cried and was stunned... still digesting it. I want my teenager to see it too, but will probably ban the younger kids for now (too graphic in parts). I take everything I see, hear or read cum grano salis these days but it is still an excellent movie. I wish MM would get his teeth stuck into the whole Israel thing. That would be a doozy! |
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