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| jannah |
| 09/10/04 at 23:50:48 |
| [wlm] it's actually ok to come in during the middle of the khutbah and pray sunnah/tahiyatul masjid. i have heard that opinion...and follow it we should be careful not to be judgemental and make a big issue about certain things without knowledge. like we always tend to jump on each other.. and these are things of SUNNAH (read: not required) issues and even sometimes we don't realize but they are allowed by certain scholars and there are other opinions out there. so to divide up our ummah and cause enmity with each other over them is not right. let's get our priorities straight. it's one thing when someone comes to jumah and starts drinking beer openly, it's another when they come and pray. about the rest of your post.. ajnabia you have been here for like a year at least and your stories just get stranger and stranger than fiction.. can you please not post about them. i have asked everyone in the past not to post their personal psychological issues here because we are not psychologists nor can we actually do anything to help certain issues, and especially on the things you talk about. i give you the benefit of the doubt as a muslimah, but i would rather not have your personal life's details posted here unless you are asking us to do something or that they can be verified by others and we collectively can do something about your problems. jazakiAllah khair |
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| jannah |
| 09/11/04 at 00:15:03 |
| [wlm] that is a fiqh question so you should ask a faqih sister. also this isn't a fatwa board so it's best to ask questions like that on q and a sites etc. |
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| timbuktu |
| 09/11/04 at 00:33:05 |
| [slm] ajnabia, jannah is right, there is a Hadith to this effect, and it is not weak. two quick rakaah of tahayyatul masjid are to be said, khutba or no khutba. I do it myself, and some people in the masjid do it, too. I have read the Hadith several times, but at the moment i cannot remember where. |
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| jannah |
| 09/11/04 at 01:01:32 |
| [wlm] don't take this personally ajnabia, but this is the problem with our ummah right now. we all think we are armchair scholars and can interpret islam by taking a few hadith, a few quran and mixing it up. note the ubiquitous books lining barnes n noble's feature shelves written by these armchair scholars who take the same hadith and verses and interpret them to write things like 'hijab is not part of islam' or that 'lesbianism is acceptable'!! then there is the other extreme when others tell us there are other opinions or that a scholar/imam said so and so, we start screaming 'daleel! daleel!' as if laypeople can even examine and evaluate what a daleel actually is!! so anyway the point is, we should take the way of moderation... we learn what we can, we learn from our scholars, we don't push our limited understanding of islam on others, we learn how to make dawah and how to give naseeha, we don't sit in judgement of others and we learn how to prioritize ours and others actions. about the 'backing up' of an opinion. i've said this again and again. this is not a fatwa board. what's the point of ppl arguing back and forth, cut and pasting fatwas, my imam said vs your imam said... been there, done that.. we've learned that it doesn't benefit anyone and no one here is qualified to engage in such discussion anyway. we may throw out that there is such and such opinion, so that people know that the issue is not so narrow and can go out and learn the opinions for themselves but it is not our responsibility to shove that down people's throats. each person is responsible for themselves and their own duties to Allah. you will need to find out what is right because you will be responsible for it on the Day of J. so in the end.. seriously a hadith search on the internet is not going to cut it.. ask a real scholar and if he says you shouldn't do it then don't, then do me a favor and ask him if you have the right to stop others from doing it or if you have the right to even think ill of them if others follow a different opinion. the major issue here is the ethics of disagreement in islam. many think there are no disagreements allowed in islam. that everything is clear and there is ONE way of doing things and everyone else is WRONG. this is ignorance. please anyone who thinks like that get a book on the ethics of disagreement.. iiit has one out, and there are many others.. english and arabic and read them... check out the isna sessions that discuss this issue. read the islamic principles. let's understand them and apply them to our lives and communities inshaAllah. |
| 09/11/04 at 01:08:00 |
| jannah |
| Re: no sense of decency |
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| stranger |
| 09/12/04 at 19:18:28 |
| [slm] I can't seem to read some of the posts or else they have been deleted, but I think the Hadith brother timbuktu is referring to is as follows: Sahih Bukhari Volume 2, Book 13, Number 52: Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: A person entered the mosque while the Prophet was delivering the Khutba on a Friday. The Prophet said to him, "Have you prayed?" The man replied in the negative. The Prophet said, "Get up and pray two Rakat." [slm] |
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| jannah |
| 09/12/04 at 22:19:49 |
| [wlm] I believe ajnabia deleted her posts. Anyway, I think it's best to ask your Imam because there are different opinions on this matter. And one hadith taken out of context is very dangerous. Anyone can find a hadith that says this or that, but there are many things that go into making a ruling -- looking into ALL the other related hadith and evaluating them, against each other, their isnad, the wording, the grammar, looking at quran, looking into est. sunnahs, understanding related rulings, other occassions and laws, etc etc etc |
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