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| RobK |
| 09/15/04 at 22:42:28 |
| Hello everyone I just wanted to get a Muslim point of view on the conflict between the Muslims and Isreal. First, let me make it clear that I am not a muslim, which you probably guessed by now :) I'm not here to bash your faith or be contentious, but just wanted to hear it from your side. I think I have ideal why but I'll save til i read some responses. Rob |
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| Asia |
| 09/16/04 at 04:26:36 |
| Hey there! Well.. I spent some time researching this particular issue, but I found a great book online that puts it in a way I would struggle to. I'll give you the link to the book, but! I want you to post what you think after reading it ~__^ http://www.cactus48.com/truth.html |
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| UmmWafi |
| 09/16/04 at 06:43:32 |
| Hello Rob I don't think Muslims are engaged in hating a whole nation so I doubt we are "versus" a country. We are, instead, against injustice, cruelty and mayhem. Under any banner. Hmmm call me woozy but I have a feeling the nature of this discussion maybe improper :) |
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| resistance4ever |
| 09/16/04 at 07:22:59 |
| [slm] Welcome to the board. The Palestine/Israel conflict is one that goes back centuries so we can't really do it justice on one thread on a messageboard. As muslims we see all muslims around the world as brothers and sisters, as part of our extended family. We share the same beliefs and values, many aspects of our lives are the same. When a muslim in some other part of the world is suffering, and this becomes known to us, it affects us as if one of our own brothers or sisters was suffering. So the suffering of the palestinians in Palestine is deeply upsetting and hurtful to the worlds muslims. All over the world, millions of muslims have taken to the streets to show solidarity and support to the palestinians. To us, our brothers and sisters in palestine are the victims of genocide, carried out by followers of a deeply racist and supremacist ideology called Zionism. The crimes carried out by the israeli's against the palestinians are shocking, but its the norm in palestine. Babies and children shot, childrens schools bombed and destroyed, schools for the blind and desabled have been bombed and left as piles of rubble, entire cities have been flattened by the zionist IDF army, hundreds of palestinian villages have "dissapeared", and tens of thousands of palesitnians have been killed. This is all part of the zionist plan to eradicate and "purify" Israel of all arabs and muslims. Even today, paletinian land is being forcedly taken, yet the muslims are powerless to come to the aid of the palestinians. The world stands by and watches whilst America send Israel the latest and best military equipment and billions of dollars in aid to continue their terrorism against the Palestinian people. To us muslims, these are our brothers and sisters who are having their lives destroyed, and this is infuriating and painful to watch. Thats my personal view on the topic. Wasalam M |
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| RobK |
| 09/16/04 at 09:16:14 |
| [quote author=UmmWafi link=board=madrasa;num=1095298948;start=0#2 date=09/16/04 at 06:43:32]Hello Rob I don't think Muslims are engaged in hating a whole nation so I doubt we are "versus" a country. We are, instead, against injustice, cruelty and mayhem. Under any banner. Hmmm call me woozy but I have a feeling the nature of this discussion maybe improper :)[/quote] I'm being honest when I say, I have no contentious agenda with bringing th topic here. This is the frist time I've ever posted on a muslim board. I will respect this board and admin the whole time and if they feel this topic or anyone my posts are improper I will stop. BTW Maybe I shouldn't have used Muslim VERSES Isreal. I wasn't implying what it sounds like, but I was refering to the conflict in general. I'm sure Muslims don't want all these wars and killings just like anyone else. |
| 09/16/04 at 09:42:05 |
| RobK |
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| timbuktu |
| 09/16/04 at 11:16:13 |
| hi Rob Read the book refernced by Asia, and go to this site: http://www.palestinechronicle.com/ Muslims do not hates Jews. who have lived peacefully and with full rights in Muslim countries. It is Zionism which has created this Israel in land inhabited by the faithful of three religions, the overwhelming group being the Muslims. and it is this forced establishment, and the eviction of Palestinians that creates bad blood, plus the expansionis nature of Israel. But read the above literature first. |
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| Stephanie |
| 09/17/04 at 23:17:16 |
| Hi RobK Thank you for visiting jannah.org and for keeping an open mind. I really don't have anything to add to what the above posters mentioned about the Palestinian Israeli conflict. I would however suggest checking out Muslim ran media as the Western news ESPECIALLY American is extremely biased. This would be a great way to gain an alternative perspective. I would recommend www.islamonline.net for a general overview of world issues. Their World In Pictures is particularly telling and disturbing. You won't see these things in the American press. For Palestinian issues here are a couple more besides those already listed: http://www.pmwatch.org/pmw/index.asp http://www.electronicintifada.com/ http://www.albushra.org/ This is a good Arab Christian Blog I would recommend anything by Edward Said or Rashid Khalidi. There is a REAL intellectual debate going on and I would suggest you familiarize yourself with these great scholars if you want to know the Palestinian perspective. BTW Rashid Khalidi (whom I really respect) does frequent interviews on the Charlie Rose Show. Charlie Rose is one of the few American news show hosts that offers a fair and open forum. As far as a "Muslim view" I agree with Resistance 4 Ever that it pains all Muslims to see their brothers and sisters undergoing such awful adversity. Also, the fact that Jerusalem, particularly Al Aqsa, is a holy place for us gives the conflict a special status in the collective consciousness. Peace |
| 09/18/04 at 23:56:26 |
| Stephanie |
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| RobK |
| 09/28/04 at 12:02:14 |
| Has anyone ever wondered why isreal has such a strong backing by the USA? It boils done to a messed up view of bible prophecy. |
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| Maliha |
| 09/28/04 at 12:10:52 |
| [slm] There are many works written on the intersection of Politics and Prophecy that literally sends shivers up my spine. It's really scary how the misunderstanding of religion (*any* religion) can yield havoc in this world. of course, the presence of sophisticated propaganda and mass (or miss?) communication; plus "smart" weapons of destruction does not make the future of humanity look any brighter. pretty sad. [wlm] |
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| Stephanie |
| 09/29/04 at 01:09:43 |
| [slm] Hmmm. . . I've heard about the prophecy thing and personally I think it sounds a little wacky. I don't know. I believe US support is more based on the fact that there is a strong Jewish lobby here, one which is powerful, rich, organized and influential. I mean, if you say one bad think about Israel, you're labeled an anti-semite and your entire political career is tarnished if not ruined. Also, it doesn't hurt that Israel has bought billions in arms from America, and it never hurts to have a strong ally in a region that isn't too keen on us (the USA). Of course, one of the reasons why the region isn't too happy with America is because of it's support for Israel, so I don't know if that last example follows. With risk of sounding like it's all a Jewish conspiracy, I'll stop. Peace |
| 09/29/04 at 01:12:28 |
| Stephanie |
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| RobK |
| 09/29/04 at 17:14:11 |
| [quote author=shareislam link=board=madrasa;num=1095298948;start=0#9 date=09/29/04 at 01:09:43] [slm] Hmmm. . . I've heard about the prophecy thing and personally I think it sounds a little wacky. I don't know. I believe US support is more based on the fact that there is a strong Jewish lobby here, one which is powerful, rich, organized and influential. I mean, if you say one bad think about Israel, you're labeled an anti-semite and your entire political career is tarnished if not ruined. Also, it doesn't hurt that Israel has bought billions in arms from America, and it never hurts to have a strong ally in a region that isn't too keen on us (the USA). Of course, one of the reasons why the region isn't too happy with America is because of it's support for Israel, so I don't know if that last example follows. With risk of sounding like it's all a Jewish conspiracy, I'll stop. Peace [/quote] I know it may sound out there, but I believe it's very true. Let me explain my take on it. The Christian coalition hand picks every republican candidate. Of course, you probably know that's Pat Robertson group. They are only going pick a candidate that believes the same as they do. One of the major beliefs of the group is that Isreal is Gods choosen natural nation with the muslim being there enimies. It is believed that God will bless any nation that blesses Isreal. And that one day all nations will come to fight against Isreal(Gods suppose nation) in a battle called Armegeddin(sp?). Who ever supports Isreal will make it through this and the coming great tribulation. In a nutshelf this where we get this die hard support at all cost support for Isreal. Who cares the if they commit crimes against Muslims, there Gods Nation. ::) Sounds so wacky indeed because it is wacky! but it is the major driving force behind alot of this stuff we see, especially when a republican is in office. There's a book out called "Forcing Gods hand" that will explain it further. |
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| Sara_R |
| 09/29/04 at 22:00:35 |
| oh yes, this is part of their beliefs. And ironically they support the Jewisht state as the existence of will allow the 2nd coming of Christ. Then the Jews will either become Christians or perish. Nice isn't it? ??? But I agree that there is a powerful lobby. Basically like in many other things, money is what it is about. And so much is about propaganda. Like the polls say here int the US, people believe Iraq was responsible for 9/11. :o It was all very subtle how the Bush administration 'inferred' the connection and people just follow the 'herd.' That is true for people elsewhere. I think that most people actually do sympathize wth WHY Jewish people would want a homeland. Western anti-semitism has of course let to the Holocaust in Europe. Yeah, after that, why would they not want a place to go? And why would you want to stay in Europe after that? But the issue is, that along they way,they displaced and oppressed others. THAT is the issue. If Israel had not been created there would be no issue. Moslems, Christians and Jews all have lived in that area for centuries. The people who lived in Palestine, who had nothing to do with Western anti-semitism, were pushed aside by the people who created Israel and are this has continued on. |
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| RobK |
| 09/30/04 at 00:16:30 |
| And some believe the birth of the Isreal state is major bible prophecy. This why no matter the pain the Palestines endured it means nothing because God gave them the land. |
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