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| Verse 9:11 of the Koranic Bible...etc. |
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| jannah |
| 09/25/04 at 00:56:43 |
| I've gotten questions from alot of non-muslims about this email that is forwarding around the internet: The following verse is from the Koran, (the Islamic Bible) Koran (9:11) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace. So let me just explain: First, I'm so glad you actually asked this question instead of taking it for granted and accepting what goes around on the internet these days. This "verse" is not located in the Quran. The language is not Quranic at all. It sounds like something someone would make up using Biblical language to make it sound like a 'Holy Book'. (Someone who probably supports the war and killing/oppression of Muslims.) However it sounds rather ridiculous to anyone who is Muslim. It's rather horrible that people are now just making up things about Islam. Here is what the real 9:11 verses are from the Quran: 009.011 But, if they repent, establish regular prayers, and practise regular charity,- they are your brethren in Faith: (thus) do We explain the Signs in detail, for those who understand. This can be checked in any Quran across the world and on the internet. Here is one site: http://www.jannah.org/qurantrans |
| Re: Verse 9:11 of the Koranic Bible...etc. |
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| Asia |
| 09/25/04 at 19:28:14 |
| Uhm .. Jannah .. this supposed verse, is it circulating from a specific site? would there be more where that came from? or is it just a one-off do you think? |
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| tripplea |
| 09/25/04 at 21:37:07 |
| That relatively freaked me out! :o People making up "verses" and calling it "Quranic"? >:( This is beyond pardon! |
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| timbuktu |
| 09/25/04 at 21:44:06 |
| [slm] there was an Israeli site masquerading as an Islamic one, and on it were two fake Arabic texts they called surahs. I downloaded the arabic text and gave it to someone for translation, but didn't get it back. Lost the address of that site. Best to avoid such sites. The more Muslims visit such stes, the more traffic they show, and show up in search engines. |
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| jannah |
| 09/26/04 at 01:41:50 |
| [wlm] that "verse" is from a ciruculating chain email being sent out across the internet.. every now and then an open-minded person will forward it to me asking me if it is true.. this has happenned a couple of times in the last few weeks, so the chain email must be making the rounds again. timbuktu true i've seen sites like that, they have no academic basis. anyone apparently can get on the internet and write unsubstantiated propoganda in the guise of an "argument" against islam when it is completely baseless. For reference the original email follows: [code] > Hi, > My name is -------. I am a christian. I don't know anything > about the quran. I someday want to read it to see exactly what it > says. However, the reason for my e-mail is this. I received an > e-mail today and this e-mail had a verse in it supossedly from the > quran. I am going to copy and paste a copy of the e-mails contents > to the bottom of this message. I am not intending to be rude. I > just wanted to educate myself a little. I really want to know if > this passage exsists in the quran or anything like it. I looked up > the 9:11 passage on your website but this passage did not reflect > what the e-mail said. So I thought I should ask a person who has > read the quran and might possibly be a expert on the subject. > Please e-mail me back even if you don't know the answer. If I have > offened you in anyway please understand it was not my intent. I > just want to know the truth. If this passage exsist. > Please and Thank you, > ~------ > > > Here is the E-mail text in question. Thank you for your help. > IRAQ - VERY INTERESTING - DID YOU KNOW? > > 1. The garden of Eden was in Iraq. > > 2. Mesopotamia, which is now Iraq, was the cradle of civilization! > > 3. Noah built the ark in Iraq. > > 4. The Tower of Babel was in Iraq. > > 5. Abraham was from Ur, which is in Southern Iraq! > > 6. Isaac's wife Rebekah is from Nahor, which is in Iraq. > > 7. Jacob met Rachel in Iraq. > > 8. Jonah preached in Nineveh - which is in Iraq. > > 9. Assyria, which is in Iraq, conquered the ten tribes of Israel. > > 10. Amos cried out in Iraq! > > 11. Babylon, which is in Iraq, destroyed Jerusalem. > > 12. Daniel was in the lion's den in Iraq! > > 13. The three Hebrew children were in the fire in Iraq (Jesus had > been in Iraq also as the fourth person in the fiery furnace!) > > 14. Belshazzar, the King of Babylon saw the "writing on the wall" > in Iraq. > > 15. Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, carried the Jews captive into > Iraq. > 16. Ezekiel preached in Iraq. > > 17. The wise men were from Iraq. > > 18. Peter preached in Iraq. > > 19. The "Empire of Man" described in Revelation is called > Babylon,which was a city in Iraq! > > And you have probably seen this one. Israel is the nation most > often mentioned in the Bible. But do you know which nation is > second? It is Iraq! However, that is not the name that is used in > the Bible. The names used in the Bible are Babylon, Land of Shinar, > and Mesopotamia. The word Mesopotamia means between the two rivers, > more exactly between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers. The name > Iraq, means country with deep roots. > > Indeed Iraq is a country with deep roots and is a very significant > country in the Bible. > > No other nation, except Israel, has more history and prophecy > associated it than Iraq. > > And also... This is something to think about! Since America is > typically represented by an eagle. Saddam should have read up on > his Muslim passages... > > The following verse is from the Koran, (the Islamic Bible) > > Koran (9:11) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken > a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout > the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in > despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed > the lands of Allah; and there was peace. > > (Note the verse number!) Hmmmmmmm?! God Bless you all Amen ! > > I BETTER NOT HEAR OF ANYONE BREAKING THIS ONE OR SEE DELETED This > is a ribbon for soldiers fighting in Iraq. Pass it on to everyone > and pray. Something good will happen to you tonight at 11:11 PM. > This is not a joke. Someone will either call you or will talk to > you online and say that they love you. Do not break this chain. > Send this to 13 people in the next 15 minutes. Go. > [/code] |
| Re: Verse 9:11 of the Koranic Bible...etc. |
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| WhatDFish |
| 09/27/04 at 03:59:38 |
| this is a reply from a sister in a mailing list - Dear Jason, The email you sent referencing the following verse is not the aayah (verse) quoted in the Holy Qur'an ( i.e. Chapter 9 Verse 11) - it is a hoax concocted by pathetic people who think they can undermine the Word of Allah Almighty by circulating this fake verse: - quote: "Koran (9:11) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace." - unquote. The original verse in the Holy Qur'an: At-Taubah 9:11 is (the interpretation of the meaning): "But (even so), if they repent, establish regular prayers, and practise regular charity,- they are your brethren in Faith: (thus) do We explain the Signs in detail, for those who understand." Please read the two (2) hoax reports which I have attached below - and read also the truth in following Qur'anic verses which are - "completely verified information (for you) to spread around ..." Jason, you may not be aware that there were groups that would change the Words of Allah (and they are still doing it to this day) - adding something here, deleting there, or changing the entire verse (as in your transmission) - to pound "their truth" and keep their 'flock' in servitude to what they desired. Allah Almighty says (the interpretation of the meaning): "And indeed, there is among them a party who alters, who distort the Book with their tongues: (As they read) you would think it is a part of the Book, but it is no part of the Book; and they say, "That is from Allah," but it is not from Allah. It is they who tell a lie against Allah, and (well) they know it! (The Qur'an: 'Aal-Imran 3:78) However, Allah Almighty, has promised to always preserve and protect His Book, the Holy Qur'an as He Ta'ala tells us (the interpretation of the meaning): "We have, without doubt, sent down the Message (the Qur'an); and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption)." (The Qur'an: al-Hijr 15:9) and "Praise be to Allah, Who hath sent to His Servant the Book (the Qur'an), and hath allowed therein no Crookedness: (He hath made it) Straight (and Clear) in order that He may warn (the godless) of a terrible Punishment from Him, and that He may give Glad Tidings to the Believers who work righteous deeds, that they shall have a goodly Reward ..." (The Qur'an: Al Kahf 18:1-2 - the interpretation of the meaning) Jason, the Truth will always prevail as Allah Almighty says in the Holy Qur'an (the interpretation of the meaning): "Those who reject the Message (Qur'an) when it comes onto them (are guilty), for indeed it is an unassailable Scripture. No falsehood can approach it from before or behind it: It is sent down by One Full of Wisdom, Worthy of all Praise." (Fussilat 41:41-42) What you have read above is the clear and fundamental Truth whole-heartedly embraced by Muslims! No amount of adverse propaganda or falsehood will affect our faith in Allah Almighty's Words in the Holy Qur'an. I remember your mother mentioning that you took a semester's course in philosophy at Princeton and enjoyed the writings of the French writer-philosopher François-Marie Arouet, who is better known by his pen name, Voltaire. So you may recollect reading what Voltaire said (attributed) when addressing the French public in 1767: "Anyone who has the power to make you believe absurdities has the power to make you commit injustices." http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Voltaire And you may also remember reading the letter Voltaire wrote to M. Damiliville dated16 May 1767: "I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord, make my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it." http://www.ronaldbrucemeyer.com/rants/1121a-almanac.htm For your information, I have received this email about the false Qur'anic verse more times than I care to remember. What saddens me is that it usually comes from some otherwise kind and good non-Muslims who obviously are not only ignorant of the Holy Qur'an, but also WANT to believe something bad about Islam (basically due to media and government propoganda), so they don't bother to check the story they pass on, thereby misinforming others. People like that is why we have Judgement Day. Praise be to Allah Almighty. So Jason, do be careful not to distribute material without first checking its authencity and I hope you will accept my communique as part of your learning curve. All the best to you and your family, K a r i m a |
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| Nadeem |
| 10/15/04 at 20:12:46 |
| [slm] [quote author=jannah link=board=lighthouse;num=1096084604;start=0#0 date=09/25/04 at 00:56:43]The following verse is from the Koran, (the Islamic Bible) Koran (9:11) - For it is written that a son of Arabia would awaken a fearsome Eagle. The wrath of the Eagle would be felt throughout the lands of Allah and lo, while some of the people trembled in despair still more rejoiced; for the wrath of the Eagle cleansed the lands of Allah; and there was peace. [/quote] Sorry, if this topic is old. Haven't been around in a while. I think anyone reading this with a little knowledge of scriptures, whether Biblical or Quranic would realise that the style of the verse is: (a) very much in the vein of Biblical passages; in particular the last peace "and there was peace" is very similar to passages in the Bible which follow the style of "and it was good" and so on. (b) not at all like any passage or style of the Qur'an; I've never read anything about an "eagle" anywhere in the Qur'an. However, I appreciate, that a misinformed albeit well-intentioned non-Muslim may assume that Quranic style is the same as Biblical style. I'm glad that jannah is in a position to be able to clarify this kind of thing for people who don't know, and have been misled by malicious misinformation. Jazakallah [wlm] |
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