(....throws tomatoe at Azizah...........)
BULLSEYE!!! HIGH FIVE!!!
Now it doesnt take 45 minutes to apply a little eye liner, and in my opinion thats really all a woman needs to enhance her beauty, as the eyes are always (imho) the most beautiful features on any woman......the windows to the soul. Theres no need for all that foundation nonsense, unless of course the womans planning on building a house on her face, as any builder will tell you a house needs a good foundation ;)
A few other points, 1) I dont really have breakfast, 2) i pack my own lunch :-*
So really, a little effort doesnt take much time. A wife should look her best for her husband. Just like the husband should look his best for his wife.
It doesnt take that much effort.
Now will someone please tell me where the smily of the beared brother has gone, and why has it been replaced with a clean shaven brother? Has the media pushed us to the point where we are ashamed of A R C H I V E S
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| da'wah for 3,4,5 graders | | amatullah | | 01/01/03 at 18:58:03 | [slm]
My neighbor has been invited to her girls' school to speak about Islam. She has never done this but wants to. Do you have any ideas? I keep thinking visual posters or something like that, but where would we get the pictures from.
what should the talk be about? I suggest the hijab since they probably will wonder why she is wearing it and also tawheed. How do you expain tawheed to non-muslim kids (KAAAAAACKY HELLLLPP!)
Any ideas will be appreciated. | | | | Re: da'wah for 3,4,5 graders | | Kathy | r: | | | Re: What makeup can do? | | Caraj | | 12/05/04 at 19:22:54 | HIGH FIVE-------premature
Azizah ducks and resistance misses
Azizah does this ------ :P
ahemmmmmm
EXCUSE MEEEEEE Bro but I myself have waited and waited upon my
mother, my daughter-in-laws and friends ::)
Cause they seem to take 20 to 45 minutes.
As to don't eat breakfast and you make your own lunch
That is fine but my
When my husband was in the Navy and was at home he had
to be on the ship by7 am
and the parking garage by 6 to get a space.
The alarm went off at 4:45 and while he showered and got dressed
I would get the coffee brewing and cook (not pouring cereal in a bowl)
I would cook him a hot breakfast so ::) ::) ::)
And once a week if not more I would also have
a batch of fresh muffins made for him to take into his dept.
On his duty nights I would take dinner to the ship since he and
his buddies hated the ships food. Now I was not getting up at
4:30 am to make up my face. The days were horses and sewing
business and dinner cooking when he got home, so who has time for
fake-up ::)
Beauty is in the heart and soul.
I don't see anything wrong with it but as long as someone is clean and clean
smelling with their hair neatly combed, dinner is on the table and the
house is clean and the husband is treated with loving kindness
who cares about if she has junk on her face.
Are you marrying a woman for her heart, mind and deen or
her looks???
(azizah take old rotten tomatoe and throws it at resistance)
hehe
HIGH FIVE to Sr. Malika......hehe why foundation unless you are going to build
a house on your face :-/ | | | | | | | Re: What makeup can do? | | resistance4ever | | 12/06/04 at 06:20:53 | [slm]
<<Beauty is in the heart and soul.>>
Yes, thats inner beauty. But their is also outer beauty.
<<Are you marrying a woman for her heart, mind and deen or
her looks>>
I married for all those things! Heart, mind, deen AND looks. I want to look at my wife and feel an attraction to her. I dont want to look at my wife and think "she's not very nice looking is she". Because if i am not attracted to my wife, than its only natural my gaze will wonder towards other women, in terms of looking only.
So to say looks are irrelevant is denying nature. They are NOT everything, but they still play an improtant role as a woman IS allowed to beautify herself for her husband.
[wlm] | | | | | | | Re: What makeup can do? | | Kathy | | 12/06/04 at 09:00:30 | [quote]Because if I am not attracted to my husband, than its only natural my gaze will wonder towards other men, [/quote]
[slm]
ah... funny thing resistance, this is what your wife wrote to me in a personal IM. :o
Ok, not really, but how did that feel to you when you read it? I do agree with you tho, I do notice my hubby is a bit more affectionate, when I apply some 'fake up'. I don't like using that term in my case, I consider it enhancing creams... ;)
::)Cara, if I looked like you and had your complexion...I wouldn't need to wear it either! Go easy on us girls, who can benefit from a bit of gloss! Some of us actually enjoy putting it on.... beats shoveling horse poop... anyday! :P
Cara i also think we are having a generational gap problem in these posts. You and I know, for sure, a man our age, would rather have a hot meal, than a hot babe. On the other hand, a guy who is a newlywed, could careless about the meal! He is still marveling over his hot wife ...he will definately take a cold meal... who cares about eating! ;)
| | | | | | | Re: What makeup can do? | | anon | | 12/06/04 at 11:33:52 | [slm]
Qadi Yusuf, a taba-tabii and one of the foremost students of Imam Abu Hanifa, would dress in expensive clothes, put on perfume and try to look nice at home "for his wife" as he would say!
hmm, wonder if this is against the constitution like other hanafi stuff. :(
[i]Modified Reply from Momma Mod:
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2nd Modification by Kathy: If you have a question whether your post is acceptable, feel free to IM me, first.[/i] | | | 12/06/04 at 17:18:42 | | Kathy | | | | Re: What makeup can do? | | Fozia | | 12/06/04 at 16:24:15 | [quote author=resistance4ever link=board=sis;num=1101457864;start=10#19 date=12/06/04 at 06:20:53] [slm]
<<Beauty is in the heart and soul.>>
Yes, thats inner beauty. But their is also outer beauty.
<<Are you marrying a woman for her heart, mind and deen or
her looks>>
I married for all those things! Heart, mind, deen AND looks. I want to look at my wife and feel an attraction to her. I dont want to look at my wife and think "she's not very nice looking is she". Because if i am not attracted to my wife, than its only natural my gaze will wonder towards other women, in terms of looking only.
So to say looks are irrelevant is denying nature. They are NOT everything, but they still play an improtant role as a woman IS allowed to beautify herself for her husband.
[wlm][/quote]
[slm]
Dreadfully qurious what happens when your wife hits the stage where age takes over and make up is just not enough??? She may not turn into a hag, however it is possible she will no longer be able to give the Aishwariya Rais of this world a run for their money so what then???
Taking into consideration, personality is not that which you find attractive what are your plans for that particular stage??
Of course one assumes that you dear Br. will still be highly attractive........ ::)
There's a hadith that goes roughly like;
There a three reasons a woman is sought after in marriage;
1) Her Status
2) Her Beauty
3) Her faith
choose her for her faith may your hands be dusty (That's supposed to denote luck as far as I can remember).
Wassalaam | | | 12/06/04 at 16:25:49 | | Fozia | | | | Re: What makeup can do? | | Maliha | | 12/07/04 at 10:34:25 | [slm]
This thread is really disconcerting. I mean it is one thing for a woman to like simplicity and not be into layers of make up everyday...but for one to say something like "I don't care how unkempt a Muslim woman is..." (sorry sis, I have to disagree a bit here).
Part of our duty to our mates (be you female OR male) is to beautify ourselves for each other. And just because you are hijabi outside the house; doesn't give you the license to be frumpy and unkempt inside your abode.
Haven't you read the narrations of Aisha (RA) and her love for Musk? or the Rasul [saw] particularity about cleanliness; hygiene; and beautiful smell?
Marriage is supposed to be our sanctity; the tranquil place where we can nurture and please each other. Why not go all out for your husband? (and to be politically correct vice versa)
And another question to the sisters out there: would you dress up and look good if you were invited to a wedding, sisters' party, dinner, etc? Then why not for your own hubby?
I am not saying that every woman should be applying layers of make up...but I do go out of my way to add little touches that make me feel attractive/desirable, even to myself first; which sets a tone and a positive attitude whenever i see my hubby's eyes light up when he sees me. And azizah, sorry sis, but I disagree. It doesn't take me hours to look cute :P and I can still multi task to ensure the basics of our household are taken care of.
And even my hubby has gone thru' an awesome transformation of everything from his hair cut to his clothes and his hip beard. And all under ze influence of me smooth compliments ;) "Wow habiby; that looks sooo amazing on you!" ;-)
And its all in the effort that counts. I know older ladies, still looking gorgeous, by the very way they would not let themselves completely go under clouds of spicy smells and ragged clothes. My mother to date, would make sure once she is done with everything; to just make sure she is wearing something decent; pretty hair; kohl; and alwayz picky about smelling nice. Even that "older" age doesn't have to be haggard...there comes a quiet beautiful dignity that comes with it. You just don't have to completely let go of yourself.
Its just a little disturbing to see people diss make up so much or even the concept of wanting to look attractive for your husband...and all along i thought this was part and parcel of our deen and duties within marriage.
Wa Allahu A'alam.
[wlm]
okay ladies feel free to beat me up now :P | | | 12/07/04 at 10:44:46 | | Maliha | | | | Re: What makeup can do? | | lala | | 12/07/04 at 10:46:36 | [slm]
calmate por favor :)
I dont *think* anyone is saying NOT to look good for their respective husbands/wives. However, can we agree that over indulgence in make up is too much?
Yes, we should make the effort to look good at home just like we would to go to a stupid wedding or whatever. So in essence: dont dress up like a clown for a wedding...keep it simple, pretty, clean (make up that is) both out and in.
You all are probably all lovely anyhow..and dont forget to the razors, lotion, hair brush, sweet smells and some nice clothes. And if you don't like foundation, mascara, blush and all that jazz.. How bout some lip gloss, eyelash curler and maybe some powder. This way you wont feel like youre in make up..b/c you wont be.
make up can be 'fake up' if you end up looking like a clown. but i'm sure most of you are tasteful in your application. This phrase is getting annoying now.
p.s. i like my nose shiny.
;D I can utilize the grease as lotion for the dry elbows. .. I'm kidding. this is funny.
much love
| | | | | | | Re: What makeup can do? | | Caraj | | 12/07/04 at 12:23:29 | [quote author=Kathy link=board=sis;num=1101457864;start=20#20 date=12/06/04 at 09:00:30]
::)Cara, if I looked like you and had your complexion...I wouldn't need to wear it either! Go easy on us girls, who can benefit from a bit of gloss! Some of us actually enjoy putting it on.... beats shoveling horse poop... anyday! :P[/quote]
Well thank you, I think :) I have always considered myself a plain jane raggedy farm lady. and as to scooping poop ::) I don't scoop poop we have stall cleaners for that I AM a caretaker ;) :D (But I do occationally scoop ;)
I'd rather scoop horse poop that put up with most of the
male type humaniods around.[quote]
Cara i also think we are having a generational gap problem in these posts. You and I know, for sure, a man our age, would rather have a hot meal, than a hot babe. On the other hand, a guy who is a newlywed, could careless about the meal! He is still marveling over his hot wife ...he will definately take a cold meal... who cares about eating! ;)[/quote]
LOL I agree, forgot that stuff (old lady here)
It is ashame we (as a society) put such value on looks.
I once knew a man who complains he cannot even kiss his wife cause she
did not want him to mess up her make-up or her hair ::)
And I did know a lady who would get up before her hubby and
get her face painted on before he saw her. ::)
God forbid anyomes wife came down with older age acne (30's and 40's) or had an auto accident, and her face was messed up, would you still not love her and find her attractive for her heart, mind,
deen and the good wife she is???
For you sisters that like make-up that is between you and your hubby's
and for those of us who choose not to wear it, we are not lazy or not
wanting to look good for our hubbys, we just find priority in other things.
As to the photos in this post no one can tell me you can look like this in
10 or even 15 minutes or less. Fresh air, drinking lots of water,
a good facial soap and moisturizer can make a world of difference in how
a person looks (most not all)
With the way these ladies look I would guess 10 to 15 mins for the hair
(or more)and 15 to 20 mins for the make-up thus 25 to 35 minutes.
And that does not include the shower and getting dressed. | | | 12/07/04 at 14:56:31 | | Caraj | | | | Re: What makeup can do? | | Fozia | | 12/07/04 at 14:31:32 | [slm]
I found it just a tad annoying that the brother was justifying ogling women.
I sincerely hope the first attractive woman he looks at with less than honourable intentions shoves red hot pokers into his eyes. There's nothing worse, than being ogled at by a man in the supermarket .... except perhaps being ogled at by a man in the supermarket who is accompanied by his perfectly respectable looking wife. Lower your gaze for goodness sakes.
Personally I think there is nothing wrong with the clean and tidy look more if you want, but I am honestly disgusted that some brother thinks he is justified in allowing his gaze to wonder should his wife refuse to apply make-up by the truck load I mean.... ::)
I'm positive there is definitely no justification for looking at women (other than ones wife) in Islam, yeah right you're a man oops I forgot ::)
Wassalaam | | | | | | | Re: What makeup can do? | | resistance4ever | | 12/07/04 at 17:10:38 | [slm]
I'm a little confused here. Some of the sisters seem a bit annoyed that women should try and beautify themselves for their husbands.
Dont you WANT your husband to feel attracted to you? Dont you want your husband to look at you and see beauty?
And also, where in islaam has it been forbidden for a woman to wear makeup for her husband?
Actually lets leave makeup aside for a second, and ask, where in Islaam does it say a woman should NOT beautify or look her best for her husband?
I am a man yet i have no problem looking my best for my wife, i get my hair cut every few weeks, i keep my beard nice and tidy, i use.....err... moisturisers ehem......and other creams to keep my skin looking its best. And i commit a major crime in looking my best? Am i being unreasonable in expecting a wife to look her best for her husband?
Well run for the hills!!
FOZIA
I'm not saying i expect my wife to apply loads of makeup, i suggest you read what i write and not make assumptions. I clearly said a little eyeliner.
Also, i have often seen women in nikab look at men. They hide behind their veils thinking they can look at men? tsk tsk, how shameful. or is it? Or is it a case of its natural to look at someone attractive? You dont have to think "unpure" thoughts if you look at some. A glance is not a gaze. I'm sure there are not many people here who could say they have not glanced at someone extremely attractive. Yes i agree its not a very Islaamic thing to do, but its natural.
And i have never ogled at anyone.
:)
[wlm] | | | 12/07/04 at 17:27:50 | | resistance4ever | | | | Re: What makeup can do? | | resistance4ever | | 12/07/04 at 17:13:05 | [slm]
Malika wrote:
"Next time, let's try not to be so presumptuous."
meeow! ;)
now now sisters, no need to get too touchy on this subject. Malika it just seems that the general tone of the sisters in this topic is that somehow the man is being unreasonable to expect his wife to look her best for him.
[wlm] | | | | | | | Re: What makeup can do? | | resistance4ever | | 12/07/04 at 17:21:41 | [slm]
Azizah wrote
"It is ashame we (as a society) put such value on looks."
But its not "soceity" putting such an emphasis on looks. Its nature. Its in the human nature to be attracted to womens beauty. Just like people like a nice looking house, or a nice car, or like nice clothes, "prettyness" is attractive.
Its not a magazine or newspaper telling us what to think. Its human nature. A man living in a third world country who has never seen a western magazine or paper, will look at a stunning woman if she walks past, unless he lowers his gaze, as its natural to look.
"I once knew a man who complains he cannot even kiss his wife cause she
did not want him to mess up her make-up or her hair"
Well we cannot use extreme cases as the norm :)
"And I did know a lady who would get up before her hubby and
get her face painted on before he saw her."
This is actually quiet common.
"God forbid anyomes wife came down with older age acne (30's and 40's) or had an auto accident, and her face was messed up, would you still not love her and find her attractive for her heart, mind,
deen and the good wife she is"
Again you use extreme cases, but also miss the point. Once you have been married and are in love, slowly looks become less important. You dont really noticing that she has put on 5lbs in weight, and if you do notice, it doesnt really bother you as much as it would have in the first weeks together as now a loving bond has form. You now love this person and so a number of things no longer have much relevance.
[wlm] | | | | | | | Re: What makeup can do? | | Caraj | | 12/07/04 at 17:44:03 | [quote author=resistance4ever link=board=sis;num=1101457864;start=30#30 date=12/07/04 at 17:21:41] [slm]
But its not "soceity" putting such an emphasis on looks. Its nature. Its in the human nature to be attracted to womens beauty. Just like people like a nice looking house, or a nice car, or like nice clothes, "prettyness" is attractive.
[/quote]
Bro, how many snakes, dogs, horses and bear go looking for a mate who is made up. NO it is NOT nature it is society and humans.
[quote]
Its not a magazine or newspaper telling us what to think. Its human nature.
"[/quote]
Ahhhhh there you go 'human' nature not nature. And you cannot tell me newspapers and magazines and Barbie dolls do not make women feel like they should look different.
[quote]
Well we cannot use extreme cases as the norm :)
[/quote]
Ummmm no I am not many women have skin problems at certain ages and with hormone changes and auto accidents and such are 1,000's not rare.
[quote]
Again you use extreme cases, but also miss the point. Once you have been married and are in love, slowly looks become less important. You dont really noticing that she has put on 5lbs in weight, and if you do notice, it doesnt really bother you as much as it would have in the first weeks together as now a loving bond has form. You now love this person and so a number of things no longer have much relevance.
[wlm][/quote]
Brother let me ask you in a few years when you wife has children by her side and has to take care of babies, clean house, run after kids and make meals are you going to love her any less if she has no time to do the make-up thing?
What is she suppose to do duct tape the kids to a chair 30 mins before you get home so she can 'BEAUTIFY' herself for you?
| | | | | | | Re: What makeup can do? | | Sara_R | | 12/07/04 at 23:23:45 | I think it is hard to separate one's views and the values taught by a given society.
It is hard because every society has its standard or ideal of beauty. To say we are not affected by media, etc. is unrealistic. How many women put themselves down for what that seem they are 'lacking'? How do we arrive at those conclusions? It is often unconscious.
I know that growing up I was thought that because I am not pretty so there was no way that I could marry anyone. Why would any guy want me if they can have Ms. Pretty?
What defines beauty anyways.. I've never quite understood what is attractive about women with tons of makeup on. It is almost like the natural self is not beautiful at all. Gosh there is beauty to be found in all types of places..
And I've been to enough all-women gathering with women painted up and no man is looking at them. They do it for society. The clothes, the make-up are all for other women not for their husband. Ir about the perceived standard people are trying to match.
To me its fine to want to look neat and presentable, to have some pretty things. But when it becomes your self-value or the value placed upon a person that is when it is an issue.
take care
wassalam
| | | | | | | Re: What makeup can do? | | tq | | 12/08/04 at 08:24:12 | Assalamo elikuim
WOW!! I think brother resistance is highly misunderstood. What I have gathered from his posts is that a 'spouse" should make some efforts to make themselves attractive for their spouses- right brother :)
I definitely agree with Sr.Nur (as always you have Mashallah put it very nicely).
I guess anything in extreme is bad. No body (the one pro- dressing/makeup) are saying to put hours and hours in makeup, hair do etc etc. but there is nothing wrong in doing something extra for your spouse.I guess both group of people are basically saying the same thing, lets not go to extreme :)
I have known sisters who put lot of emphasis on looks etc and also I know sisters who think that they shouldnt even be wearing nice one color clothes since in Islam your deen/taqwa is more important then outside. Isnt it part of our deen to look clean?
Moderation is the key :)
Wasalam
tq
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