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| Abu_Hamza |
| 01/11/05 at 11:18:17 |
| [slm] Does anyone know when Eid-al-adha will be? When is the first day of Dhul Hijjah? There's no announcement on the ISNA web site yet. Was the moon sighted in Saudi Arabia? |
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| ummnajmah |
| 01/11/05 at 12:27:52 |
| [slm]someone told me it will inshallah be on the 21st of January...A friday! :D |
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| Ameera15 |
| 01/11/05 at 18:40:27 |
| Yes, it will be on Friday :) |
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| jannah |
| 01/11/05 at 20:06:50 |
| wlm, What organizations are u guys following? I haven't seen any announcements yet either??? I found this at the ISNA website which I find kind of interesting.. ISNA had always gone with saudi for the second eid, then switched to local (n. american) sighting for both eids, but then after widespread discontent I guess they've gone back to following Saudi --------- Eid ul Adha 1425 (January 2005) According to a decision of the Fiqh Council of North America, Eid ul Adha is to be celebrated in solidarity with pilgrims in Mecca. The Hajj Authority will announce the dates for Hajj and Eid ul Adha within the next few days. The announcement will be posted on ISNA's website. Tentatively, the Day of Arafat is expected to be on January 19 or 20, making Eid ul Adha January 20 or 21, insha'Allah. Another interesting thing... in 5 years Ramadan is gonna start in August!! and in 10 years Ramadan is gonna start on July 4th... weirdddddd i tell u :o |
| 01/11/05 at 21:43:49 |
| jannah |
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| Kathy |
| 01/12/05 at 08:37:32 |
| Hmmm.. wonder what our masjid will do.... this is going to be interesting... They are firm by going by the moonsighting and are firm supporters of ISNA's decision... wonder how they will manage this dilema if the days are different. |
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| tq |
| 01/12/05 at 09:06:33 |
| Assalamo elikuim I read on moonsighting.com that Haj Inshallah will be on Friday Jan 21. Wasalam tq |
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| Ember |
| 01/12/05 at 15:38:05 |
| [slm] Don't you have to follow the Saudi date for Eid ul adha since it is after arafa'a of the pilgrimage? And has no moon sighting etc associated with it. Since all those who perform Hajj, have it on the same day, would it not be expected for the rest of us to do it on that day too... |
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| jannah |
| 01/12/05 at 18:11:19 |
| Ember there's different opinions on the subject. Some go by global sighting, some go by local sighting, and some go by Saudi period. But anyways, ISNA just released their announcement... Eid ul Adha 1425 (January 2005) The Hajj Authority in Mecca and the Moon Sighting Committee in North America have both announced that Wednesday 12 January 2005 is the beginning of Zul Hijjah, and Friday 21 January 2005 will be Eid ul Adha (Eid of Sacrifice) with Muslims around the world celebrating the day of Eid in solidarity. We pray Allah will accept and bless the Hajjis (pilgrims) as they fulfill this most beautiful religious obligation, joining together with millions of other Muslims to worship Allah, The One Almighty, Creator and Sustainer of us all. We pray for those who have perished in the recent tsunami, and for the many people who are suffering around the world. We encourage everyone to donate generously to the tsunami relief efforts to help the survivors rebuild their lives and their communities. We encourage every Muslim to pray for and to make great efforts to bring peace and justice as well as relief from suffering for all of humanity. Eid mubarak. |
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| bhaloo |
| 01/12/05 at 20:53:00 |
| [slm] [quote author=jannah link=board=ummah;num=1105456697;start=0#7 date=01/12/05 at 18:11:19]Ember there's different opinions on the subject. Some go by global sighting, some go by local sighting, and some go by Saudi period. [/quote] One has to go by the moon sighting (weather it is a local moonsighting or going by a global sighting), following what Saudi Arabia does is not a valid opinion. A few years ago, ISNA was corrected by Taqi Usmani for just following what Saudi Arabia does and he provided some very good points and proofs in his response (they can be found on the web). But since Eid is over a few days, perhaps they are celebrating it with Saudi Arabia to coincide with when the pilgrims will be celebrating it. But alhumdullilah looks like it will be Friday, insha'Allah. |
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| jannah |
| 01/12/05 at 22:19:24 |
| slm, bhaloo, there is an opinion that one should follow ahlul madina on moonsighting..but how valid that is Allah knows best...and of course we know that ppl tend to do whatever they want.. i don't know if they've evaluated the evidence...or if it's sentiment that carries them along but shari'ah wise our imam explained that there are arguments pro-global sighting and arguments pro-local sighting.. for our part i wish we all could just agree on one and get on with it... |
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| Ember |
| 01/13/05 at 08:49:26 |
| [slm] When I said 'following the saudis' for eid ul adha, I meant that technically the day after the pilgrims stand at arafa'a is Eid. Since the pilgrims stand at arafa'a in saudi arabia, I thought it would be right to follow the eid with the pilgrims. Since this is an Eid to remember the sacrifices of Abraham etc. I thought this appropriate. I could be wrong. Allahu A'alam. |
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| Mona |
| 01/14/05 at 19:12:39 |
| [slm] some updates.. Saudi Arabia announced today that yawm arafah (9th of thul hijjah) will be on wednesday Jan 19th and that eid will be on thursday Jan 20th. basically they have backtracked on their initial estimates of the hilal due to witnesses coming forward saying that they have seen the hilal on monday night. this is going to be interesting ...hmmm. take care wassalam Mona |
| 01/15/05 at 08:28:31 |
| Mona |
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| Taalibatul_ilm |
| 01/14/05 at 23:03:53 |
| [slm] That is a shocker. I didn't even know they had changed the dates! Here is the announcement from an English daily Standing on Arafat Now on Jan. 19 Arab News JEDDAH, 15 January 2005 — The Standing on Arafat which marks the climax of Haj will this year fall on Wednesday, Jan. 19 (Dul Hijjah 9), and not on Thursday, Jan. 20 as announced earlier. Accordingly, Eid Al-Adha (the feast of sacrifice) will be celebrated on Thursday, Jan. 20. A statement by the Supreme Judiciary Council carried by the Saudi Press Agency yesterday said two men have come forward declaring they have sighted the new moon after sunset on Monday, Jan. 10, and notified the judge who recommended them to the council as trustworthy. http://www.arabnews.com/?page=1§ion=0&article=57563&d=15&m=1&y=2005 |
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| bhaloo |
| 01/15/05 at 00:50:48 |
| [slm] AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH! I turned in my vacation request for next Friday, not Thursday! Hmmm, let's see what ISNA has to say: Saudi Announcement To Change Eid ul Adha Date Today, January 14, the Hajj Authority of the Saudi Government have announced a change in their earlier statement, saying that according to Ummul Qura calendar, the standing at Arafat will be on January 19 and Eid ul Adha on January 20. Moon sighting on January 10 was astronomically ruled out in Saudi Arabia. The new moon was born at 12:03 Universal Time on January 10 and was only 3 hours old in Saudi Arabia. It set 3 minutes before the sunset. Therefore, sightability on January 10 was totally incredible. ISNA stands by its earlier decision that Eid ul Adha in North America will, insha'Allah, be on Friday, January 21, as announced earlier. |
| 01/15/05 at 00:52:35 |
| bhaloo |
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| jannah |
| 01/15/05 at 14:10:47 |
| wlm, apparently we can't have eid without some kind of drama :( 2 men sight the moon when it is impossible to sight and a billion muslims have to change the date?? daang.. i think isna is right to stand by their date...but this is again going to cause mass confusion.... i'm thinking more and more that every country should have their own council and sight locally... it just makes more sense unity wise there's alot of sentiment attached to saudi yet ppl don't even realize we are never going to be fasting WITH them because of the time difference... when they are fasting we are eating etc...when they are having eid we are sleeping etc... anywayz |
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| Mona |
| 01/15/05 at 17:13:01 |
| [slm] so, i am in no way defending saudi, but... what are they supposed to do ? witnesses came forward and swore that they saw it. they described how it looked and when it appeared. if we recall just recently, this past ramadan 1425 AH, ISNA said that it was *very unlikely* that the hilal would be sighted in n. america and thus announced on their web site that ramadan would start on saturday oct 16th. but when two witnesses came forward, they had to take their sighting into account and later modified the start of ramadan. and about the time difference, agreed, when we wake up the people living in saudi would be near iftar / maghrib time. but at least the *date* is the same. jan 19th or whatever would be recognized as an eid world wide. that is much better than having 2 or 3 separate dates. let's just remember that maintaining muslim unity takes more precedence than achieving high precision on the issue of moon sighting. sometimes i feel that we are behaving like banu israel, being too concerned with the attributes and colour of the cow when in fact any cow would have sufficed. any ways, i think isna had a knee jerk reaction. at least the british muslim council is thinking about the issue and is currently in consultation with the various masajid before announcing what they'll do (tomorrow). may Allah unite the muslims , ameen. wassalam |
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| Mona |
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| jannah |
| 01/15/05 at 18:17:51 |
| wlm, good points mona.. i definitely think unity is more important and when there is a difference of opinion on an issue why not take the one that brings the muslim ummah together. but i also think that having unity in a particular region/country and especially in one community or city is more important than us all fighting about having one global date for eid. so in other words.. i think ppl in my city would be more likely to come together and go with isna than with saudi. in this case no doubt saudi should take witnesses of moonsighting but on jan 10 it was physically impossible to see it. like literally physically impossible...that's why they had announced the date of eid to be fri.. so maybe they should just say 'well its impossible to see the moon on this date, we will only accept sightings when it is scientifically possible' moonfighting is too difficult a topic to resolve it seems |
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| bhaloo |
| 01/15/05 at 21:32:25 |
| [slm] [quote author=jannah link=board=ummah;num=1105456697;start=10#16 date=01/15/05 at 18:17:51]i definitely think unity is more important and when there is a difference of opinion on an issue why not take the one that brings the muslim ummah together. but i also think that having unity in a particular region/country and especially in one community or city is more important than us all fighting about having one global date for eid. so in other words.. i think ppl in my city would be more likely to come together and go with isna than with saudi. [/quote] I agree that that at least in one country there should at least be unity. But look here in North America. I found out not every group/organization wants to do what ISNA and ICNA are doing. A big :thumbsdown: to that. There should be Muslim unity in this matter so we can at least celebrate Eid with our nearby friends and relatives. |
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| BrKhalid |
| 01/16/05 at 02:52:10 |
| Asalaamu Alaikum ;-) [quote]AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHH! I turned in my vacation request for next Friday, not Thursday![/quote] That's why I always put in requests for 2 days.......[bad bad prior experiences] But same arguments here in the UK although I get the impression that most are doing Eid on Thursday. |
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| freaksterrrrr |
| 01/16/05 at 07:37:09 |
| [slm] On this issue of Eid. Here in Nairobi we seem to be havin problems and un-united, thanks to the Qadi of Kenya, not any dis-respect to him. Initially on Monday night, after the Isha prayers, it was announced at our nearby Masjid that the moon had been sighted and therefore that marked the beginning of Dul-Hijjah. Here in Kenya, around 40% of the country is kinna like farmland so u can see the sun setting and all so there is no big-tall buildings blocking your way hence the ability to see the new moon everymonth. At least they mostly do, don't know how? If you have people staying in those areas, you can always call them and ask them if they had seen it. What is for sure however is that on Tuesday night, we all saw the moon and it appeared to be 2nd. It even set (or dissapeared) at around 8.00 that is one and a half to two hours after maghrib. That is pretty late for a new moon hence confirmation that it was indeed not the 1st. Therefore Wed. I believe was 2nd od Dul-Hijjah. Allahu-A'lam. With all this in mind, we arrive at the conclusion that the 10th will be on Thu. Insha-Allah. However the Qadi, the man in charge of all muslims in Kenya delivered a speech which was aired on radio and he said that he had called some Saudi Authoriries and he confirmed that Eid was on Thursday. Howver, since he had already scheduled to pray on Friday, he will go ahead as planned and pray Eid prayers on Friday morning but those who wish can pray on Thursday.This really dis-pleased me because I thought he was supposed to unite all the muslims he's in charge of. What do you Muslim brothers and sisters think on this controversial executive decision by the Qadi. Is he right and wrong. Everyone has their views and mine is that we should all pray together on this Eid. This announcement was last night Jan the 15th. WE are still very confused as to the matter. |
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| jannah |
| 01/16/05 at 13:28:25 |
| wlm, Mahad to be honest I think your Qadi is a wise man. That is the only decision that would at least mollify both groups and since they can choose what to do that makes it even easier. He's avoided alot of the anger and devisiveness that moonfighting brings. |
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| bhaloo |
| 01/16/05 at 18:48:17 |
| [slm] I disagree, I think the qadi is making a huge mistake. Where's the unity? There's always going to be someone that is going to be upset no matter what day is chosen. To tell them that you can pray whatever day you want is not going to create any unity and cause confusion. What about fasting the day of ashoora? Some will be fasting that day when it actually is Eid for others and that is considered haraam. In this day of modern technology, the qadi should make a decision, if he's made a mistake, recant the mistake and make a new announcement. And EVERYONE should go with that decision. In Pakistan their is an organization that makes a decision for the whole country and the whole country celebrates it that day. No mess, no confusion, and everyone is united, alhumdullilah. |
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