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| SuperHiMY |
| 02/14/05 at 02:52:22 |
...and in conclusion... ....Cupid makes you stupid.... .......okay, he makes [i]me[/i] stupid. [img] http://www.tonesgraphicsgames.nokia.com.au/previewContent/wallpapers/220549.jpg[/img] |
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| Kathy |
| 02/14/05 at 08:07:51 |
| [slm] HiMY, as you know, the origins of St. Valentines day is so paganistic, as well as 'cupid' being thought of , to the non believers as a 'god.' So any symbol of this day makes me uncomfortable. I don't want to be one of those lizards folowing them into the hole.... I would like it if you would reconsider your post and remove it. Even the Christians tried many times, through history to cancel this 'holiday.' To no avail.... |
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| theOriginal |
| 02/14/05 at 08:35:30 |
| [slm] Okay so today, the cook at work...greets me in the morning and says "Miss, miss...Happy Valentine's Day!!" I was so confused because 1) I don't watch TV, so I really had no idea V-Day was here, 2) No one in my family acknowledges V-Day... Then the whole day...random people...I won't even list them because it looks dumb, kept mentioning the "holiday"... and this one girl even told me that if I wanted a "boyfriend for the day" she had someone in mind. Just so the shock value is not lost, ladies and gentlemen, THIS IS PAKISTAN. It's ridiculous. Wasalaam. |
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| yumna |
| 02/14/05 at 09:04:47 |
| :o [slm]..ok PAKISTAN ...mah country ! b THAT way ... :o..ok i'm not that surprised .. ;Di new this is a common practice all around teh world regardless of it being a muslim country or not ..same thing happened here i cum to the class but my bag on my bench and cried about wasting soo much time and not able to fnish homework and ..all that usual crap only to find my friend replying o "happy valentine's day" ..huh? wat wat watr u talking abt oh no todays 14th feb!!!!!!!! no yaar exams r sooooooooo close now i thought todays 4th or mayb 10th NOT 14th!!!!!!!!! .. my friend rolling her eyes ..forget it dude ::) forget wat i said ... |
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| tq |
| 02/14/05 at 12:11:16 |
| Assalamo elikuim WOW JustOne even the cook knows about valentine's day ? I am pretty sure around 12-14 years ago it was very rare in Pakistan. I was in college at that time and never ever heard of it, but I guess like evreything, things are changing rapidly! One of my cousins said that it is very hard to find red roses and ballons on Feb 14 in Karachi, and I was very very suprised. Usually the red roses were for wedding/receving the barat etc :) I guess I am getting old or may be I am already :) Wasalam tq |
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| labeeb |
| 02/14/05 at 18:20:54 |
| [wlm] Humm so that is Pakistan. What if we travel to Delhi now. The receptionist of my co calls me quite early in the morning and I ask her what's the matter today so early in the morning and she says it is to do some decoration. Normally they do it for some kind of Indian puja/festival and so I thought. And then she says 'Happy Valentine's Day!' Huh, what? Ohhhhhh my God. Ok k, same to you whatever. Too bad. Wonder what kinda culture we are getting into. Actually, all the tv stations/media etc bombard people for so many weeks that people wont be knowing about overturn of government in Nepal but they would all know that there is something, some kinda festival coming that is on Feb 14. It is all commercialization and all are there to make money at the expense of social values. wasalaam labeeb |
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| Ember |
| 02/23/05 at 10:09:23 |
| [slm] Besides being un-Islamic this is THE most annoying day. I mean it gives credibility to the idea that you should be romantic and loving on this 'one' day. Its like saying, that it makes up for the rest of the year. Most guys at my work are so conerned about making that good impression on this one day, but the rest of the year they take everything for granted. On top of this, the TV ads. aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah!!! They are sooo soo ew ew ew corny. yuck. As soon as the year begins I have to be subjected to this jargon. The 'every kiss begins with K' nonsense to EVEN paper towel adds that are made to look 'romantic' ok. I'm done. Just needed to vent about this annoying highly commercialized holiday. |
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| humble_muslim |
| 02/23/05 at 10:51:32 |
| AA Sister Farhat Hashmi did a great talk about valentines day in Pakistan. Maybe I can find it... |
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| Ember |
| 02/23/05 at 16:17:08 |
| Some info I found on Islam.com. Makes for good reading. [] [] [] VALENTINE'S DAY ---------------------------------------------------------------------- What is it and where did it come from? St. Valentine's Day: Paganization of Christianity or Christianization of paganism? Christians were aware of the Pagan roots of Valentine's Day. The way the Christians adopted St. Valentine's Day should be a lesson for Muslims. In fact, the failure to fully separate Valentine's Day from its pagan roots explains why Islamic scholars and a number of Muslims avoid adopting traditions of non-Muslims, even though they could possibly be Islamicized. The Arabic word Bida means adopting something new as a religious practice into Islam. Bida is a sin in Islam. Muslims should avoid things with unIslamic roots even though they may appear to be innocent. The history of Valentine's Day serves as a powerful lesson for Muslims. St. Valentine became a Saint trying to resist free sex. Even though there was an attempt to Christianize it, today St. Valentine's day is gone back to its roots. No one even knows that the Church even tried to ban the St. Valentine's Day. Rather, most people think of romance, cupid and his arrow, which are vestiges of pagan Rome. Pagan origins of Valentine's Day The first information about this day is found in pre-Christian Rome, when pagans would celebrate the "Feast of the Wolf" on February 15, also known as the Feast of Lupercalius in honour of Februata Juno, the Roman goddess of women and marriage, and Pan, Roman god of nature. On this day, young women would place their names in an urn, from which boys would randomly draw to discover their sexual companion for the day, the year, and sometimes the rest of their lives. These partners exchanged gifts as a sign of affection, and often married. Christian Influence When Christianity came onto the scene in Rome, it wanted to replace this feast with something more in line with its ethics and morality. A number of Christians decided to use February 14 for this purpose. This was when the Italian Bishop Valentine was executed by the Roman Emperor Claudius II for conducting secret marriages of military men in the year 270. Claudius II decided that single men made better soldiers than those with wives and families, so he outlawed marriage for young, single men, who made up his military. Valentine defied Claudius and performed marriages for young couples in secret. When his actions were revealed, Claudius put him to death. Another version of the story says that Valentine was a holy priest in Rome, who helped Christians escape harsh Roman prisons where they were often beaten and tortured. Valentine was arrested and sent to the prefect of Rome for this. He found that his attempts to make Valentine renounce his faith were useless, and so recommended he be beaten with clubs, and later beheaded. This took place on February 14, 270. According to the Catholic encyclopaedia, there are at least three different Saint Valentines, all of whom are Christian martyrs of February 14. One of them is described as a priest from Rome (as mentioned above), another as bishop of Interamna (modern Terni), and the third from Africa. It was in the year 496 that Pope Gelasius officially changed the February 15 Lupercalia festival to the February 14 St. Valentine's Day to give Christian meaning to a pagan festival. The holiday become popular in the United States in the 1800's during the Civil War. As well, Pope Gelasius ordered a slight change in the lottery for young women that would take place during the pagan festival. Instead of the names of young women, the box would have the names of saints. Men and women were allowed to draw from the box, and the purpose of this was to copy the ways of the saint they had selected for the rest of the year. Valentine's Day Customs A number of the customs connected to Valentine's Day originate in the belief in England and France during the middle Ages, that on February 14, birds began to pair. Fourteenth and 15th centuries' French and English literatures make indirect references to the practice. Those who chose each other as husband and wife on Valentine's Day apparently called each other their Valentines. In terms of the Valentine's greeting "Your Valentine" which today you find on a number of Valentine's Day cards, the above-mentioned Roman priest Valentine actually sent the first 'valentine' greeting himself. While he was in prison awaiting execution, he apparently fell in love with a young girl who would visit him. Before he died, he allegedly wrote her a letter, signed 'From your Valentine,' In terms of the virtually naked, arrow-shooting cupid character, which shoots people with its arrows to make them fall in love, this character is a vestige of Roman pagan times. Cupid was described as the son of Venus, the Roman god of love and beauty. You usually find Cupid's picture on Valentine cards and other paraphernalia . ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Islamic Perspective We should avoid anything associated with pagan immoral practices - We do not need to honour or celebrate the death of a Christian "saint" - Islam does not encourage flirting or suggestions of romantic relationships before marriage - Love between families, friends and married people does not need to be celebrated on a day with such un-Islamic origins. The Prophet (s) has advised us that if we love somebody we should let them know (of course we know the forbidden relationships are not included in this advise). He (s) said it generally and did not ask us to do it 'on such and such a day'. Prophet (s) didn't ask us to do it only once a year but as often as we can. So are we going to obey him (s) or Mr. Valentine? The Prophet (s) also said that we should be different from the Jews and the Christians and the unbelievers, so if the non Muslims are busy celebrating Valentine's let's take the Prophet's (s) words of wisdom and be different. May Allah taalaa protect us and keep us away from bidaah and haram-doing. Ameen. |
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