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| Paving the way for Muslim holocaust |
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| WhatDFish |
| 03/27/05 at 12:09:20 |
| Paving the way for Muslim holocaust By ABID ULLAH JAN Published: March 22, 2005 On hearing criticism of Amina Wadud and company's action on March 18, 2005, some Muslims respond: “Why are we pre-occupied with this misguided woman's actions? It is not worth to spend time on it. We’re just making her more ‘famous.’ Just forget about it and get on with life. There are much more worthy things to do and they are urgent too." This is not really so simple. The consequences of these actions on the part of self-proclaimed progressive Muslims are far serious than one can imagine. The attitude that demands silence over Amina Wadud and company’s actions leads to turning more than 99 percent of Muslims into 21st century Jews. Actually it is a multitude of factors that are leading to the fascist environment emerging particularly in the US, where Muslims would soon be no better than what Jews were in Germany in 1930s. The first factor in this regard is the fear that Islamophobes are spreading with increasing intensity in the community. Besides they are setting anti-Qur'an standards and pre-conditions for Muslims to be considered acceptable: “moderate.” The second factor is total surrender on the part of most opportunists among Muslims who love to be promoted in the media, secured in some "respectable" positions or awarded with fulfilment of some other personal interest by following the Islamophobes’ agenda. The third factor is the cold response of some individual and groups among Muslims who propose to ignore Amina et al and disregard persons like Pipes as “bigot.” Pipes is not a bigot. He is the most open and the least hypocrite of the enemies of Islam. He is the one who is putting forward clear standards for “moderates” and “progressives” so that there are no shades of grey left for some to hide in. The Islamophobes are developing a mindset in the non-Muslim countries, which makes the general population believe that Islam is inherently a violent religion and Muslims who believe in the totality of the Qur’an are “Islamists.” Accordingly, only those are acceptable who are willing to “question the origins of Islam” and totally reject parts of the Qur’an as not acceptable or at the very least irrelevant. The “Progressive” opportunists follow the same agenda and consolidate the mindset already prepared by the Islamophobes, showing the public, “yes, here we are: the refusenicks, the partial believers, the forward looking progressives” as opposed to the rest of Muslims who are conservative, fundamentalists and Islamists, who deserve to be shunned." Those who choose to be silent spectators of the above mentioned developments further pave the way for their isolation because in this case numbers do not matter. All that counts is who fits the Islamophobes and progressives’ fascist agenda. Just like the roots of today’s fitna (mischief) of a women leading men in Jumma prayers lie in the adventures of “progressive” and “liberal” Muslims’ and their groundwork in the past,[1] so are many other seeds of fitna out there waiting to germinate into full grown trees. Silence on the part of Muslims will further aggravate the situation because if they failed to make their point clear, the "moderate" and "progressive" opportunists are going to take the situation to the boiling point whereby all those who do not agree to their basically anti-Islam agenda would be declared "radicals," "Islamists" and hence a threat to local and global security — terrorists. That is a very scary eventuality. However, that is a writing on the wall before us in the light of Daniel Pipes statements that even legal activities of "the Islamists are a challenge." [2] What does it mean? It means invitation to open fascism. When one is not considered fit even for legal activities, his place in the society becomes limited to a concentration camp or gas chamber. Every package of fascism comes in phases. First come the labels. Then the classification, followed by the people that fit that specific classification and the pre-determined labels. Then come calls for marginalizing a people, even with their legal activities. Finally, those who have supported and accepted all these phases all along have to accept the extermination phase of the outcast as well. In more realistic terms, Amina Wadud, her followers and promoters are nurturing the seeds of hatred sown by persons like Daniel Pipes. These progressives are simply ensuring future internment of large Muslim populations in the US and elsewhere. For pogrom or all that happened in Germany in the 1930s to happen again need a mindset which the Islamophobes have already prepared to a great extent. The benighted progressives are simply consolidating it to the extent where another holocaust kind of action would not produce any reaction in favour of the untouchables at all. The problem is extremely serious for the reason that to be considered as a “moderate” Muslim, one has to renounce parts of the Qur’an (See [website removed by admin]), such as such as rejection of the clear commands about inheritance (Al-Qur’an 4:11-14, 4:33, 4:176), court testimony (Al-Qur’an 2:282) and even Riba (Al-Qur’an 2:275-76, 278-79; 3:130; 4:161; 30:39). There reason Daniel Pipes should not be considered as a bigot is that he he just speaks openly on the issues on which others like Thomas Friedman would limit to beating around the bush, despite being more fascist in their inner beliefs than Pipes. It can be seen from their equal support extended to supporting and promoting persons like Manji as “moderates.” (See Friedman’s latest column: “Brave, Young and Muslim,” N.Y Times, March 03, 2005.) This is not a time for Muslims to remain silent and ignore Islamophobes as bigots, not worthy to respond to, and the “progressives” as unimportant. These are the people who are paving the way towards mainstream fascism: a time when pogrom of Muslims would not generate any sympathy or reaction in their favour. The progressives hardly realise that they will be equally consumed in the fire they are inflaming at the cost of fulfilling their petty self-interests. It would be just the matter of first or last, which brings us back to the Qur’anic prediction that you can never please such Islamophobes unless you leave your religion for them (Al-Qur’an 2:120). That is what the standards set for the “moderates” demand of all Muslims. In my little humble opinion, it's time that Muslims started to actually make it known without fear that unless you completely follow the Qur'an and Hadith ONLY, you are not a Muslim; and that the FOLLOWERS of Islam are NOT to pay attention to those who reject parts of the Qur'an and pick portions of it that suit their borrowed-from-Islamophobes mantra to intentionally or unintentionally try to undermine Islam. I used the word TRY, because they will NEVER succeed in such designs irrespective of the impending pogroms and holocausts. Also See: The curse of a mindset http://icssa.org/mindset.htm 21st century Jews http://icssa.org/21s_century_Jews.htm References: [1]Going Where I Know I Belong: A Rebel in the Mosque [website removed by admin] [2] Jim Lobe, “Anti-Islamic Crusade Gets Organized,” March 2, 2005 http://rightweb.irc-online.org/analysis/2005/0503pipes.php |
| 03/27/05 at 15:09:35 |
| jannah |
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| Re: Paving the way for Muslim holocaust |
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| jannah |
| 03/27/05 at 15:16:06 |
| slm, This article is way too paranoid in my opinion. It's not a balanced analysis. Come on blaiming amina wadud for a Muslim holocaust??? that's just over the top.. the arguments about a coming pogrom.. just don't hold much water. We seriously do have major media problems and no doubt there is alot of money, time and propoganda spent on trying to divide Muslims, but those are all nothing new. |
| Re: Paving the way for Muslim holocaust |
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| WhatDFish |
| 03/28/05 at 11:29:00 |
| assalaamu`alaikum see it as you like sister, what RAND would like is more 'Muslims' like her. it is not over the top, it is the beginning, the mischeif (fitnah) shes started. i have observed your slant towards feminism, so it is natural you would defend her. how can one say shes sincere towards the Deen when she says you dont have to accept the Qur'an in totality. tell me sincerely what that borders on? `Uthmaan the ummah needs to be united now more than ever, characters like her dont help and we cant say to her "yeah ok, we'll choose to agree on some matters and disagree on some" there is only one Islaam and that is of the Qur'an and Sunnah. [website removed by admin] |
| 03/28/05 at 13:39:28 |
| jannah |
| Re: Paving the way for Muslim holocaust |
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| Saffiya |
| 03/28/05 at 13:35:35 |
| [slm] I agree with Bro. Uthmaan - we really do not need Muslims like Amina Wadud. Anyone who sympathises with her should really think about what they are doing. This woman does not represent Islaam, she represents her own view of Islaam, the roots of which are feminism. May Allah SWT guide her and guide us too. Truth is clear from falsehood. [wlm] :-) |
| Re: Paving the way for Muslim holocaust |
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| jannah |
| 03/28/05 at 13:46:31 |
| wlm, well the 4 or 5 scholars who have spoken about this issue in the last few days must have "slants towards feminism" as well. you are an individual and i am an individual and have our own opinions, but what i conveyed was what the biggest scholars in the US have said about the issue, if people don't want to listen to it then that's up to them. did you ever think that certain forces are pushing the mobs of muslims to act the way they are... declaring certain people/groups kaffir... not extending dawah to them or uniting, working out the problems within ourselves? and in the face of this the scholars are imploring them to act in a different way yet the people contend that they know better, that they know right from wrong better, that only they know "truth clear from error" etc etc.. think about it |
| Re: Paving the way for Muslim holocaust |
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| Fozia |
| 03/28/05 at 15:47:48 |
| [slm] When the first female priest was ordained (must have been ages ago, can't remember specifics), there was such a huge houha, with entire congregations threatening to leave the church and stuff very dramatic!!! The Jewish community appears to have caught up (sort of), I was reading of a new rabbi being sworn in (or whatever they do) at the local synagogue, point being she was female, of course the female rabbi thing wasn't given half as many column inches in the national press. As the Jewish community (at least on this side of the pond) tend to keep conflicts within their community. Now it's the gay priests being ordained which is causing a huge amount of upset..... Wonder how long we'll take to catch up...... An Imam is one who leads the Salaat. Women don't do it, not in mixed congregations. It's an innovation. There is nothing wrong with consulting a properly qualified Aalimah on matters of Fiqh or even for a fatwa, I have done so. But a woman cannot lead men in prayer. It doesn't make us second class citizens, it doesn't make us incapable, it's not an insult there is wisdom behind it. We're not supposed to be softly spoken when speaking to non-mahram men. There are reasons, very good ones behind it. Yes women should be educated, yes we should have equal access to masjids and what not but we aren't to follow those of other faiths. Wouldn't go so far as to call someone a Kaafir though yikes no!!! I so know I'm going to get yelled at now. But imho we really ought to put a united front on this. I don't suppose anyone knows of any actual traditions where a female from amongst the companions lead jamaat in a mixed congregation??? If not I think it is about time we stopped being 'moderate muslims' and got on with being muslims. Wassalaam |
| Re: Paving the way for Muslim holocaust |
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| jannah |
| 03/28/05 at 17:47:04 |
| slm, Fozia no one is arguing about the fiqh about this, the scholars have already released fatwas on this detailing the points. It's odd how no one is getting that. This is about the average Muslim who has taken this far and away from the actual issues under contention and using it to bash other muslims and yes they have gone so far as to extend THEIR agenda over others yet claiming at the same time that others have an agenda. It's like people going to extremes on top of existing extremes. It's certainly forgotten about the principles of islamic dawah, ignoring our ethics of disagreement, and rulings of takfir, and worst of all causing division and disunity because of their lack of wisdom and knowledge on how to handle things like this. |
| Re: Paving the way for Muslim holocaust |
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| WhiteSomali |
| 03/28/05 at 22:15:30 |
| [slm] Of course Amina Wadud, her ideals, her followers, are all problematic and all for their own reasons. However, I truly believe that Amina Wadud and those like her are a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself. Please allow me to bring something to our attention that I'm absolutely sure all of us have heard before. The Muslims of old used to be a dominant force in the world. In the times of the Prophet [saw], Muslim armies were able to win seemingly hopeless battles off the support of Allah alone. Some of Islam's biggest enemies broke down in tears upon realization that Allah was the One True God and that Islam was the religion of Allah. Those were the times of the strongest of the Muslims, the times when the Ummah as a whole was at it's strongest. If you were to try build a house, you could countless hours working out the perfect blueprints. You could plan it until it was the most beautiful and architecturally sound house ever conceived. Regardless of that, if you undertake in building this house with faulty bricks, it will simply fall and crumble. Of course, the Ummah is the house, and unfortunately, us modern day Muslims (worldwide, not just in America) are the defective bricks. Times have certainly changed. In a time when vast amounts of Muslims, especially those of us in non-Muslim countries, do not even pray five times a day, how can we expect to build a strong Ummah out of weak Muslims? How many of us these days stand at night and pray, or engage in the remembrance of Allah between the completion of the Fajr prayer and sunrise? How many of us keep our houses stocked with an endless supply of food, while there are people starving worldwide that need our support? As Muslims, we know that we’re ordered to forbid what’s evil. Yet, how many of us remain silent in the face of the countless wrongdoings we witness? The modern day Ummah is a shell of what it once was. Ignorance is prevailing over knowledge, and as a result, innovation is prevailing over the Sunnah of the Prophet [saw]. The fact that people like Amina Wadud can openly reject the Quran, the Word of Allah, and still consider themselves Muslims is a reflection of the state of the Ummah. When someone rejects the Quran, they reject Allah as He has described Himself to us. That someone could do this and be defended by Muslims speaks volumes about how political correctness is affecting us, whether we admit it or not. In Allah, we’ve had the best possible architect design our Ummah for us. But, individually, how many of us are failing to make ourselves the strongest Muslims we could possibly be? As easy as it is to blame Amina Wadud and the people like her, they’re just manifestations of the real problem. Cancer needs to be cut off at the root. May Allah forgive us for the things we’ve done and for the things we haven’t, have mercy on us for the mistakes we’ve committed unintentionally or intentionally, and protect us from ignorance and innovation. May Allah forgive me for any mistakes I made in writing this and protect anyone who reads it from those mistakes. To the readers, please forgive the ghetto English this is written in. After I reread it, I hated that ghetto English, but oh what a struggle to change it to real words ;D 8) [slm] |
| 03/28/05 at 22:19:32 |
| WhiteSomali |
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