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laylaa1
05/06/05 at 21:19:49
I wonder if we're allowed to use nail polish?? could you please give me hadith or something on that as well if their is something related to that


i would appreciate quick responses. Thanx!   :)
nailpolist hadith
jannah
05/06/05 at 22:20:46
slm,

umm doubt you would find a hadith about nail polish.. u can use it but u can't make wudu over it so it's like for an event where u don't have to pray or something u can try it

i used to be a fan of henna on nails.. but haven't done it in ages...
henna
nina
05/09/05 at 09:01:16
[slm]

i love henna. once i coloured in one nail with henna, and it looked like my nail was decaying...everyone kept saying 'whats wrong with ur nail?'

hah..bout polish, have no idea but i suppose a safe approach is to perhaps just wear it when ur not praying (e.g. on ur cycle)

hope it helps
[slm] :-)
Ha Ha
Kathy
05/09/05 at 10:28:52
[quote author=nina link=board=sis;num=1115428789;start=0#2 date=05/09/05 at 09:01:16] ... i suppose a safe approach is to perhaps just wear it when ur not praying (e.g. on ur cycle)[/quote]

Ha Ha, now everytime we see a Muslimah wearing nail polish... we will know it is her time!

Also, nail polish can be the the stop sign for the hubby!

On a more serious note, if the reason being for not wearing nailpolish is because water can not reach the nail for wudu, then wouldn't fillings, gold teeth, hair coloring, which coats the hair, be null and void also?
bling bling for teeth
jannah
05/09/05 at 11:41:48
wlm,

hmm wasn't it in the olden days they used to use gold cause they didn't have anything else? it would stop the tooth decay and solve their problem and also some ppl looked more prestigious with lots of gold?? so most fillings are kind of a needed thing so ur teeth don't fall out...but this brings up the question if guys were allowed to get gold fillings since they're not allowed to wear gold!! lol also permanent hair dye absorbs into the hair to change the color it's notlike on top??

nail polish
Orange_Tree
05/09/05 at 14:03:42
[quote author=Kathy link=board=sis;num=1115428789;start=0#3 date=05/09/05 at 10:28:52]

Ha Ha, now everytime we see a Muslimah wearing nail polish... we will know it is her time!

[/quote]

I always used to wear nail polish when not praying but I decided to stop doing that cos it looks obvious if you show up with painted nails for 5 days each month!  plus nail polish can be quite drying on the nails i find.  the condition of my nails seems not able too much polish then stripping off then re-applying again.
Don't get it
Faythful
05/09/05 at 19:25:04
[slm]

I never really got this idea about water not reaching your nails if you're wearing nailpolish, hence voiding your wudu'.  Water can also reach the nail from the underside of the nail, which doesn't have nailpolish on it.  So I don't see the problem.

[wlm]
nails
jannah
05/09/05 at 23:50:00
slm,

part of the wudu is washing the whole hands including the nail surface... umm i don't know about you but my nails aren't reversible... they're like one side down and seem to stay that way ;)

j/k

but anyways i don't think it's a big deal.. just don't wear nail polish unless its a special occassion and u make arrangements for praying before and after and have some remover and the bottle for re-doing just in case u gotta go...
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Fozia
05/10/05 at 06:37:37
[slm]

Sr. Kathy, as I recall hair dye is not allowed specifically because it coats the hair in the manner you mentioned. 'Tis the reason you see so many elderly muslims with orange hennad hair....
Not being a scholar and all, I would say teeth fillings dont count as they are a neccesity.
I also recall that nail varnish contains haraam ingredients...but what do I know dont touch make up myself.. if I did I'd end up looking like coco the clown :o


Wassalaam
nail polish and hair dyes
anon
05/10/05 at 07:50:59
[slm]

Anything (e.g. nail polish) that forms a perceptible barrier on a part of the body that is fardh (obligatory) to wash for wudu or gusl is not permitted (unless it is a case of necessity for health etc).

"nail polish is very different from henna. Nail Polish is like paint which forms a barrier on the nails so that water can not get to them, whereas wetting the nails is necessary in wudu and ritual bathing.

Henna, on the hand, does not form a coating but changes the pigment of the skin and nails, hence, does not stop the water from reaching the nails or skin." -- Faraz Rabbani



For a detailed discussion on different views on hair dying see:
[url]http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Questions/qa00002931.aspx[/url]

Excerpts from the above link:
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My respected teacher, Shaykh Mufti Taqi Usmani (Allah preserve him) says:

“The final word regarding the using of black dye is that, it will not be considered unlawful (haram), although disliked (makruh). The prohibition in the Hadith will be understood to be confined in the situation when one uses it to deceive others”. (Taqrir Tirmizi, 2/354).


It should also be remembered here that the above discussion is when the dye is pure black. However, if it is not pure, rather it is dark and black-inclined; it would be permissible to apply it.

Also, the dying of hair will not affect the validity of ablutions (wudu) or obligatory bath (ghusl), because the coating is not considered a perceptible barrier.

In conclusion, it is recommended to dye the hair (for men and women) with other then pure black colour. To use pure black dye in order to deceive others is unlawful (haram), and totally permissible for a Mujahid engaged in Jihad. As far as using it for adornment purposes, it will be somewhat disliked (makruh tanzihan), although some have declared to be reprehensible.

05/10/05 at 07:53:40
anon
New Arrival
sal
05/10/05 at 15:53:14
Ok good news

Although I have never used and will never  but I have seen what women here call islamic nail polish
It can be removed so easily with water and can be during making wudu .so you got it now to use it any time




???
laylaa1
05/10/05 at 17:06:22
so where would you get this so-called 'islamic nail polish' ???

Thanx!   :)        
water reaching nails
Faythful
05/11/05 at 13:41:23
[slm]
I wanted to respond earlier but did not have a chance to get back to the boards.  Jannah ... regarding the reversible nails  ;) ... I think that water can penetrate nails, so it's not about washing the surface of the nail.  

Water can get to your nails from whichever side, so if one side is painted with nailpolish, water can still penetrate your whole nail from the exposed underside.  I think that when you wash your hands water will reach the nail regardless of whether the surface is painted or not ... from the underside, from beside the cuticles, etc.  That's what I meant.

[wlm]
water
jannah
05/11/05 at 14:24:43
umm water does not go thru the nail to the other side..its a hard surface called keratin. it can slowly absorb things like the dye of henna but it is not a transparent surface. u need to wash the surface of the nail and when it is covered with nail polish it cannot be washed hence it invalidates wudu

secondly if ur claim is that the water goes thru from the underside, nails are flush to your skin it cannot reach the underside of the nail at all so there's no way it can go to the other side

anyways this is pointless all the ulema have opined that the presence of nail polish invalidates wudu

05/11/05 at 14:39:51
jannah
I see...
Faythful
05/11/05 at 15:45:46
[slm]
"anyways this is pointless all the ulema have opined that the presence of nail polish invalidates wudu"

I did not know that.  Thanks for bringing it to my attention.  I had never actually heard about this nailpolish voiding wudu thing until very recently, so I didn't think that there had been anything "official" pronounced regarding it.

But to be honest, the first time I heard about it I thought it sounded very "roundabout". Nailpolish seals the nail, wudu is meant to (among other things) wash the surface of the nail which is now sealed by nailpolish, wudu is thus voided, no wudu means prayer invalid, invalid prayer means... well we all know what that means.  So I must admit this did sound unlikely to me.  I never really looked it up because the issue of nailpolish just seemed trivial and I rarely wore it anyway.  I also thought of all the people who do "tayamum" over their socks or pantyhose when they do wudu (what about their nails?) ... but I think that's another topic altogether.

But if all the ulema have declared it as voiding wudu, then that is very good information to know.  Thanks again for pointing it out.
[wlm]
hard too believe
lucid9
05/11/05 at 22:32:28
[quote author=jannah link=board=sis;num=1115428789;start=10#13 date=05/11/05 at 14:24:43]anyways this is pointless all the ulema have opined that the presence of nail polish invalidates wudu

[/quote]

Excuse me, but who is "all the ulema" who have opined?  It is not a matter of aqueedah, so it very, very unlikely that there is only opinion about it.  

plus, you should all remember that there are lots of young girls, who unlike many of you do not come from super-religious families, who are always put off from praying regularly because, "duddette?! You mean I can't wear nail polish any more? Ouch!"
nail polish
jannah
05/11/05 at 23:02:45
it is a matter of fiqh and there are numerous fatwas on it so the ulema have "opined" on it

if it puts a girl off from praying that is really too bad... that's like saying don't tell a girl she has to wear hijab to pray cause then she might not want to pray???? like uh???

having nail polish on during wudu invalidates your wudu and therefore your prayer...so sure anyone who wants to pray with it on can do so.. but what is the point when it is invalid?

and hyper none of the girls should be put off of prayer by this once they know of it..they'll get used to it just like having to wear hijab when praying... and then after awhile for weddings or sisters parties or other occassions wearing nail polish becomes a very fun special girly activity just like getting super dressed up or getting ur hair done and all that.


unlikely
lucid9
05/12/05 at 03:07:56


[quote author=jannah link=board=sis;num=1115428789;start=10#16 date=05/11/05 at 23:02:45]it is a matter of fiqh and there are numerous fatwas on it so the ulema have "opined" on it [/quote]

Yes, and so?  You sound like you are saying that for one of the few times  in history, all the ulema have agreed on something.  That's unlikely.  On every topic there are various opinions and various fatwas.  Very rarely does only one opinion exist.   For example, there are numerous but questionable opinions about say

(1) Permissibility of suicide bombings
(2) Males' prayer is invalid if their trousers fall below their ankles (e.g. just go to my local masjid(
(3) That the triple talaq system is valid
(4) That the west is Dar al-Harb, so all muslims should like pick up and leave
(5) That women shouldn't come to mosques
(6) That taking a bribe is okay.
(7) That watching football (i.e soccer) is haram
(8) That muslim women can't take off their hijab in front of nonmuslim women
(9) That computerized prayer schedules are haram -- you have to physically go outside and look at the position of the sun.
(10) That beating your wife is to be encouraged in many some instances.
(11) When a guy goes to see a prospective wife, he can ask her to take off her hijab and he can ask to see all sort of wierd things.
(12) Hooking an imam up to a loudspeaker during Tarawih prayer so the congregation can hear him is haram.  (This happens in one of the biggest Tablighi mosqes in Asia)
(13) and so of course the list goes on and on and on and on.

The only difference here is that the nail polish fatwa is very, very, very popular and everbody thinks that is the end of the story.  But I really doubt that is, and this is coming from somebody you used to chuck his little sister's nail polish out of the window.  

[quote]
if it puts a girl off from praying that is really too bad... that's like saying don't tell a girl she has to wear hijab to pray cause then she might not want to pray???? like uh???
[/quote]

That sound awfully self-serving.  Too bad?! TOO BAD??!! It's more like  the end of the world.  The prophet almost fretted himself to death in fear for those you didn't accept his message.  Recall the verse in surah Kahf, "Are you going to worry yourself to death over them...?"  That kind of gives you an impression of what proper islam compassion should be like.  So you just can't brush everything aside and tell a girl "too bad if that puts you off praying. Tough!"

[quote]
and hyper none of the girls should be put off of prayer by this once they know of it..they'll get used to it just like having to wear hijab when praying... and then after awhile for weddings or sisters parties or other occassions wearing nail polish becomes a very fun special girly activity just like getting super dressed up or getting ur hair done and all that.
[/quote]

Hello?! Maybe you're like hanging out old budhdi type people.  Young girls are crazy about nail polish.  Many have huge collections.  They sometimes change the colors several times a day, and then they like to make funny designs on them.  It's not just a wedding or a party thing, its more like an everyday thing. I know this, and I'm a guy.

Personally, I think nail polish is one of the most bizzare human inventions, and looks really gross in any case (you all have an elderly aunt who wears bright red nail polish, don't you? And if you're a guy, you have almost inevitably been hooked up up a mad but well-wishing relative with a girl with like the grossest nails -- like painted YELLOW?!  (You can imagine how that turned out)).  But unfortunately this nail polish thing is a fact of life and girls are crazy about it.

It's all well and good to tell a 12 year old to "fear Allah" and "haram! haram! stay away from nail polish," or "never pray while your have never polish on."   But the fear of Allah is something which develops over time, and 99 % of all teenagers don't pray because they fear Allah and are afraid they are going to be damned or get run over by truck if they don't pray.  No, praying for young people is more or less a ritual thing,  they do it because its a habit they copy from their parents or others. Of course there are some parents who devote great energy cultivating the fear of God in their kids, but lets face it -- most muslim parents are hopeless and too busy with mundane stuff.

The basic point is: I think this nail polish fatwa is one of those blanket fatwas most alims have tried to be too clever with, and applied the letter of the law while throwing out the spirit in the process.  Alllah know best.

The fact that nail polish doesn't dissolve into the nail, while henna does, and thus is okay, sounds too funny, too odd, and too wrong.  I mean what about male house painters and male automobile painters, and just 12 year guys who like me who always used to build model airplanes and then paint them, and inevitably got paint on themselves which was really hard to remove? Must they take a bath in paint thinner everyday just to rid themselves of little specks of hard to remove paint?  Unlikely.    But instead girls are always picked on, and so like our house, every house full of girls has to reek of acetone, because, "oh its time to pray; quick! get the nail polisher remover!" several times a day.

The only positive thing about that "nail polish  + wudhu = 0 " fatwa is that, if it weren't haram imagine how repulsive many guys would be. I mean so many gross-out-wierdo-loser guys wear Henna, that if nail polish was halal imagine what they'd do with nail polish?!  Couples could then wear coordinating colors, or your mom and dad could like wear complemenatary colors.  Just imagine the amount of gross-out, pooh in your pants type things that would then happen.  I think i'm going to faint now.  





05/12/05 at 03:18:36
lucid9
alternate fatwa?
M.F.
05/12/05 at 04:10:19
[slm]
Bro Hyper, ok now that you're finished, can you find an alternate fatwa about nail polish *not* interfering with and invalidating wudoo?
It's so simple that it's hard to believe there could be any doubt that covering a part that needs to be touched by water during wudoo would not invalidate it, except in cases like bandages, or socks after one has made wudoo without them.
It's like this: Is washing hands obligatory in wudoo? Yes.  Are nails part of the hand? Yes.  If they are not washed can you consider that the hand is washed? No!  Can they be washed if they have nailpolish, which coats them like plastic and does not let the water touch them?  
 If the young girls are changing color every day, then maybe they won't mind changing after every wudoo.  All they have to do is remove it before wudoo and then put it back on afterwards.  
05/12/05 at 04:11:22
M.F.
Hyper has a point
Kathy
05/12/05 at 08:46:26
[slm]

I am with Hyper on this, and he makes some good points. I am not saying correct points, but definately thoughts that crossed my mind as I read jannah's post.

At my level of eeman, it is easy to get a fatwa thrown at you and say 'oh, ok', shrug my shoulders and not do it anymore. I guess I have learned that there are more important issues in my life that I have to worry about.

Just the fact that there are many exceptions, socks, bandages, teethfilings,etc... makes me hesitate.

Now, if someone mentioned how distracting it is to pray next to a sis who has wild nails... this I would understand and have lost concentration in my prayers because of this.

As a side personal note. When I first became Muslim and stood in my first Jummah line to pray, a sister made it perfectly clear my prayers did not count, and I might as well sit down. You guess it.. I was wearing nail polish.  I remember standing there wondering, as I slumped back to the corner, if Allah swt really was not going to accept my prayers. So I prayed all by myself in the back... just in case He would.
nail polish does invalidate
timbuktu
05/12/05 at 09:48:39
wudu.

[slm]

the arguments by jannah and MF should be sufficient.

As for band-aid etc. that sometimes cover parts of our body that need to be washed, the wudu is valid for special circumstances, like an injury that requires cover.

I have inserted the "n" and "b" through copy ad paste, not the keyboard. :)
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Fozia
05/12/05 at 10:57:26
[quote author=Kathy link=board=sis;num=1115428789;start=10#19 date=05/12/05 at 08:46:26]As a side personal note. When I first became Muslim and stood in my first Jummah line to pray, a sister made it perfectly clear my prayers did not count, and I might as well sit down. You guess it.. I was wearing nail polish.  I remember standing there wondering, as I slumped back to the corner, if Allah swt really was not going to accept my prayers. So I prayed all by myself in the back... just in case He would.[/quote]

[slm]
:o :o :o
That's just so mean. There are ways and then there are ways of explaining things. I'm so glad the Sr. whoever she was didn't put you off, and I hope she has learnt a softer approach...Subhanallah.

I have a revert friend (lets call her Sr. A), she is very passionate about Islam, and is very insistant on doing the correct thing, so far so good. However one of her close friends (lets call her Sr. B) recently embraced Islam, and was (understandably imho) hesitant of wearing the hijaab, I met Sr B for coffee on Sr A's instructions and we became friends too, however the first thing Sr A kept insisting I do is force Sr B to wear the Hijaab...I had to gently point out to her that that would probably make a very timid person bolt. The point is we both want the best for Sr B and she's already made the great big decision of embracing Islam the rest inshallah will follow, she merely needed encouragement, help, support and friendship from other sisters without judgement. Sr. B btw has a big high flying job in a huge firm, and she was terrified she'd lose all that if she adopted the hijaab. Anyways a year down the line, she's adopted full hijaab, and she's strong in her faith alhumdulillah, and she's still got the job too.

I believe Sr. Laylaa wanted to know if nailpolish was acceptable. One believes she has the answer now.
BTW if you are still after the washable variety, I believe as a general rule it is aimed at preteens, and comes in such enticing flavours as cherry etc.

Br. Hyper it's not what you say, it's the way you say it. BTW I dont go much for make-up, however I'm not a buddhi either.
Instead of dictating what one can and can't do, explain and then let the person get on with it, nobody was rellaying threats of hellfire and brimstone, not much point really in descending to name calling...... you budda.


Wassalaam
DAAAAANNNNGGGG!!!!
Trustworthy
05/12/05 at 17:51:53
[slm]...

I did not participate in this nail polish thread earlier because I thought it would be simple enough to answer and was already answered.  You guys did not need my interference, but now this is getting interesting.  Somewhat out of control too.  You really don’t have to go that deep because the ruling is based on common sense.

"The only difference here is that the nail polish fatwa is very, very, very popular and everbody thinks that is the end of the story."

It is the end of the story because it isn't that difficult to comprehend.  

Nail polish is not forbidden to wear.  Treat it as you would like henna, make up, jewelry (something a woman adorns herself with.)  She wears it only for her husband or just for herself if she is not married just because she wants to as long as she follows the guidelines.  You don’t wear it to attract men and nail polish is water proof so remove it before making wudhu.

There are different opinions on rulings like there is with wearing henna, make up, jewelry, etc.  You choose the one that fits your school of choice and follow it.  I do not know which school says what but here is an example of 3 cause I think the fourth one also agrees with #2.

1.      Blah blah blah….if you made and kept your wudhu before applying the nail polish then your wudhu is still valid under your nails like how one would wipe over their socks or shoes and make up.  You can repeat your wudhu over your nail polish as long as your wudhu was valid before you applied it on…blah blah.
2.      Blah blah blah…you need to remove your nail polish before making wudhu such as you would with stockings or socks because water does not penetrate through them and if water does not touch your skin then your wudhu is invalid blah blah.
3.      Blah blah blah…nail polish is not forbidden but has some strict guidelines as it does with make up.  You can not have make up or nail polish on while praying so remove them before making wudhu and do not put them back on until your prayer is complete.

Basically nail polish is not forbidden, but use your best judgment on wearing it.  Stay away from doubt cause if you doubt it then don’t wear it at all.  Sisters…as with make up, read the label before buying because some nail polish do have alcohol as an ingredient.

As to Hyper….

Did you like have a bad experience with nail polish?  Kidding, I'm kidding.

You’re so cool bro.  If I was your sister, we’d be fighting all the time and you’d be beating me up all the time for defying you, but I’d still love you because I’d know you do what you do to protect me from the Fire and hate you at the same time because you’d be so overprotective and never leave me alone.  I just got into nail polish and my daughter loved nail polish since before she was born (I really don’t know where she inherits these feminine genes from?)  But I don’t wear it often because the smell of acetone would probably knock me out.  But I’m thinking, if you don’t like nail polish, then you don’t like make up and you definitely don’t like high heels.  Your preferred wife would be all natural from head to toe.  No piercing of the ears or nose or where ever else.  May be henna but she’d have to wear gloves when outside.  She’d have to be a house wife and stick to you like glue not because of jealousy or because you don’t trust her but because you want to protect her and you don’t trust other men.  Your sister is lucky.  Even if she screams she hates you and other things she’ll regret later, don’t take it personally and keep being a brother to her, but do support her on things that are most important in life.  That’s cool.  

My brother is like a decade older then me and he is old tradition and from where I come from, the girls are like the servants of the house which I did not agree with.  When we were younger we had this huge fight, it almost became a physical battle where he expected me to serve him food (which I could’ve done for my brother.  I mean he is my brother.)  But I told him no and to get it himself and he got furious at me for defying him and then I got furious because he got furious and lets just say, we never fought again after that.  He never hit me, but I had bruises from him for being so forcefully angry.  After he literally threw me in the kitchen, I got quiet but still did not serve him.  He saw how quiet I got which is unusual and just walked away.  After he saw my bruises the next day, he never asked me or Mom to do anything for him anymore, EVER.  We never apologized to each other for that day cause you don’t need to apologize for anything when you love each other – you just know the other person is sorry.  And I think I scratched him a little, but I still feel guilty till this day and do things for my brother without him needing to ask.  We love each other and it shows and we have our little squabbles, but it’s not the same anymore.  This was before I got into make up and such so I never got a big brother who was religious on me and threw my nail polishes away.  My older cousin took that role and I just shrugged him off.  Now my brother is taking that role with my daughter so I’m grateful.  They fight all the time and then I punish her for defying her Uncle.  

And men wear henna, OMG!!!  :o  Like where?  You're talking about on their hair and not their hands right?  RIGHT?

Sis Kathy...

You're not alone with getting yelled at.  The sister was wrongful to do that to you, I geuss you could say that they are very passionate in their beliefs.  I'm a Muslim and I got scolded while praying in the Prophet's Masjid because my hands weren't covered while I was praying.  The sister did not know any English but if I had let her, I think she would've pinched my hand and then to make things worse, I think she went on passing it around to the other sisters that were with her.  Kind of like talking about me behind my back but in my presence because they all looked at me and started laughing.  Allah (SWT) forgive us all.

Allah (SWT) bless….

Ma-assalaamah…..
05/12/05 at 18:12:24
Trustworthy
nail polish and dawah
jannah
05/12/05 at 18:00:06
slm,

this isn't an issue where there is a disagreement. i mean can u even find a single fatwa that says u can wear nail polish and make wudu?? i mean come on...

secondly there is a right way to do dawah and there is a wrong way... we do not compromise the deen in doing dawah but we do invite people in a nice and kind way and enjoin good things and forbid bad things... this is a part of our deen, but the way we do this is with care, wisdom and naseeha.

so if u see a girl wearing nail polish and praying u don't go up to her and start yelling and telling her her prayer doesn't count! but this is something as a muslim we should know and teach our kids and girls. and u can do it without offending them and without making them dislike prayer... esp when they are young you can give them fun alternatives...

developing fear of Allah and the spirit of Allah etc are wholly unrelated topics

and male or female if u are covering something that needs to be washed during wudu ur wudu is invalid unless there is a reason for it or precedence for it.

and again...if you want to wear nail polish and pray or you don't want to offend some little girl by telling her the rules about it go ahead.. but don't claim it's islam


Re:
WhiteSomali
05/13/05 at 00:28:00
[slm]

[QUOTE]Sisters…as with make up, read the label before buying because some nail polish do have alcohol as an ingredient. [/QUOTE]

Actually, altho alcohol is haram to injest, the (vast) majority opinion is that it's not a haram substance to touch.






Um... lets pls try refrain from biting each others heads off in this topic? pls?

[QUOTE]
secondly there is a right way to do dawah and there is a wrong way[/QUOTE]

Yes.

[slm]
05/13/05 at 00:28:59
WhiteSomali
Whoa
laylaa1
05/13/05 at 02:07:39
wow, trust me, i never expected all this, i mean, it was just ONE SIMPLE question.

And i am only one fifteen year-old girl asking this.

But i wanted to thank Sister Trustworthy for her clear, concise answer.

And I wanted to thank Brother Hyper for being so up-front with his opinion and so passionate about his beliefs.

And I wanted to thank Sister M.F. for her simple way of explaining things.    

And Sister Fozia for saying about me, "One believes she has the answers now."

About that, I'm not so sure  ;)

but i'll figure it out.


Sweeeeeet....
Trustworthy
05/13/05 at 11:48:41
[slm]....

It is a simple question.  Poor girl.  No need for thanks.  Glad to always help.  

As for Bro Ahmad....

I'll meet you on a different thread. 8)

Allah (SWT) bless....

Ma-assalaamah.....


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