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| UK Muslim 'leader' urges women to take off the hijab!? |
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| jannah |
| 08/06/05 at 03:24:38 |
| ARe things so bad over there?? I was watching the show by Yvonne Ridley on IslamChannel UK and they were talking about this... seemed like most of them were surprised that the imam would go this far and didn't think it was needed at this time... anyone remember the whole controversy over after 9/11 when someone gave a fatwa and said something similiar... deja vu eh -J ======================================= UK Muslim 'leader' urges women to take off the hijab 25-07-2005 My comments: Astughfirullah!! May Allah (swt) guide us all to the haqq.. Ameen By Ma\'\'ad Fayad London, Asharq Al-Awsat - Islamic leaders in London have called on British Muslim women to remove their veils so to blend in with the general public and avoid being targeted by extremists looking for vengeance. In a conversation with Asharq Al Awsat, the community leaders blamed the imams of a number of mosques for the deviant beliefs of Muslim youths and the lack of a firm stand against extremism. They called for practical steps to be taken to prevent young Muslim men and women from falling into the trap of terrorism. Dr. Zaki Badawi, the Dean of the Islamic College in London , said, "In a recent meeting with [Prime Minister] Tony Blair, he asked [representative of the Muslims community] to explain to our youths the dangers of terrorism. Government officials need to take the same step, independently, and meet young Muslims", absent from meetings between Blair, the Home Secretary and Muslim leaders. On the link between mosques and extremism, Badawi flatly denied the accusation that religious establishments are dens of extremists. "This is totally false", he told Asharq Al Awsat. Badawi complained about many imams, "who do not speak to the people at all. Some don't even speak English. Others never mention important issues such as the rise in extremist sentiment in their sermons. The gap that exists between the mosque and young people is being filled by fundamentalists." In the aftermath of the London bombings, the Dean of the Islamic College urged all Muslims, especially women, to be extra vigilant. He said women should remove their veils as a precaution, since his organization has "received a number of threats on a daily basis. British police, across the country, are being deployed to protect Muslim institutions and the public." Accordingly, Badawi said, "I have advised women not to wear the veil because it might harm them. A Muslim woman should not wear her veil is she has sufficient reason to believe it may endanger her safety." He noted that, according to Islam, "clothes are for protection and are not to harm the individual." As a reaction to the recent attacks, Badawi expected the Blair government to adopt a series of measures targeting the Muslim community in Britain . He said, "The government is likely to pass strict laws that will certainly affect Muslims living here." Jawad al Khoei, from the Imam al Khoei Foundation in London also expressed his sorrow at the terrorist incidents that have left London on edge the past fortnight. He said, "Whether we accept it or not, Muslims are blamed for the bombings. We need to rise to the challenges ahead and present the real face of Islam to the Western World, least of all the British government which has offered shelter for Muslims fleeing their countries." He added community relations are being threatened by "the extremists who attend religious schools in Arab countries and elsewhere who return to Britain and present a negative image of Islam." Speaking on the meeting between the Prime Minister and Muslim leaders, al Khoei said, "We explained that the terrorists striking Britain and killing innocent lives are also murdering civilians in Iraq , with no regard to age, sex, ethnicity, or religion. These extremists are inhumane and no do not differentiate between one group or another." Accordingly, al Khoei added, "Terrorism should be fought wherever it comes into view and eliminated. We need to unify our ranks and fight extremists who continue to be supported by a number of governments, security agencies, and organizations. He appealed to Muslim scholars and Arab regimes not to use double standards given that, "If Muslims scholars and Arab governments condemned the violence in Iraq , terrorism would not have appealed to so many." Sheikh Abdel Karim Khalil, form al Manar Islamic Center reaffirmed "the clear position on any attack on innocent lives, whether in London or elsewhere." He said his center "strongly rejects any actions that affect security across Britain ." Khalil also pointed out that "The Islamic standpoint is clear when it comes to attacking other people. If we to follow Islamic fiqh (jurisprudence), were are obliged not to damage the security of this country and its people." More generally, he added, "Islam, by principle, rejects targeting innocent people and causing harm to their person, their property, or their honor." The former Head of the Islamic League of Britain, Kamal Helbawi, blamed British security forces for not monitoring the terrorists and exposing them before they acted. He expressed his confidence in the future of the Muslim community in Britain but feared "a worsening relationship between East and West and between Islam and the West." This is why, he said, "Violence and terrorism ought to be addressed through specialized institutes." |
| Re: UK Muslim 'leader' urges women to take off the hijab!? |
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| Nadeem |
| 08/06/05 at 07:49:39 |
| [slm] Are things so bad? Depends what you mean by bad. There is an increase in suspicion. There's an increase in Islamophobic attacks. There have been numerous attacks on mosques and on people, physical and verbal. Mosques have been torched, people have been verbally abused, women have had their hijabs ripped off, been spat in their faces, men have been beaten, and I think you're probably aware that even killing(s) have taken place. But on the day to day, most of us are not being attacked and pounced on the second we leave our homes. The majority of people in this country will not attack us even though they might give hostile stares or whatever. But whether its bad or not, is irrelevant. Until the time we're all being banged up in detention camps, or being slaughtered as we come out of our homes (which I think is unlikely, at this stage at least), we can't stop practicing our faith. When a non-hijabi woman is attacked or molested, do the authorities tell her to cover up, stop wearing revealing clothes, or going out late at night? No, they tell her, "we will catch the people that did this, they are criminals". In the same way, if Allah forbid, a sister is attacked shoul she stop wearing hijab, because one criminal attacked her? This is like someone telling a man whose house is robbed to stop living in a nice house, in case people rob him. And think also, that if today in response to attacks, we stop wearing hijab or shave our beards off... Tomorrow, they will dictate to us each and everything of how to practice our faith. They are putting mosques and Islamic bookshops under immense scrutiny and pressure at the moment aswell. Should we stop visiting the mosques, and seeking knowledge from the bookshops? If we do that, tomorrow we will be told to forget Islam and the name of Allah (nauodobillah). All these things are to create fear. We have to get past the fear. Or we have to feel the fear, and live our lives anyway. [wlm] |
| 08/06/05 at 07:50:18 |
| Nadeem |
| Re: UK Muslim 'leader' urges women to take off the hijab!? |
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| bhaloo |
| 08/06/05 at 08:49:49 |
| [slm] I read the article the other day, and was taken back by such an extreme view. If someone has that kind of view, they aren't going to be a leader for long, and they are certainly not going to be taken seriously. |
| Re: UK Muslim 'leader' urges women to take off the hijab!? |
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| rkhan |
| 08/09/05 at 03:44:22 |
| HasbunAllaahu wa ne'mal wakeel, ne'mal maula wa ne'man naseer In Allaah do we place our trust and He is the Best Disposer of Affairs, the Best Protector and the Best Help. I just wanted to share something my daughter wrote (and I edited)..it touched me deeply and somehow seems appropriate here *** [i]this morning I got up with a smile on my face I dreamt that I'm in London and it's snowing and I'm walking navy blue coat white school blouse grey skirt that swishes around my feet like a snowdrift and a red scarf wrapped around my head it doesn't mean danger it only means that I'm cold and I'm Muslim. [/i] |
| Re: UK Muslim 'leader' urges women to take off the hijab!? |
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| gift |
| 08/10/05 at 11:27:30 |
| [slm] heard a talk by dr jamal badawi this weekend, and in the Q + A session someone asked whether this is permissible. his take was that unless the woman really and genuinely fears for her life, and there is no way for her to avoid leaving her home, she should not remove the hijab, because once she does that how long will it stay off and what will happen next? incidentally am not a hijabi, but was wearing a hijab this weekend for a conference in central london, i got a LOT of suspicious looks and was actually quite frightened. i have never known it to be this bad here. [wlm] |
| 08/10/05 at 11:33:25 |
| gift |
| Re: UK Muslim 'leader' urges women to take off the hijab!? |
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| abdullahcohn |
| 08/13/05 at 10:59:20 |
| Why is every one so supprised with it? read some of the old threads on this site. This man has always been telling people to take off the hijab? has every one got really bad amnesia? He does not believe Hijab is Farred, He has made it clear many times over. have you forgoten what he said when the French were thinking about banning it? His wife and daughter do not wear Hijab. His daughter is invited on TV as a expert, and I have seen her say its not farred too. HE IS most famous for supporting the french ban on dutch tv. any way< i met jamal badawi. a couple of days ago< and he said he is not related to zaki badawi< in family and in ideas. |
| 08/13/05 at 11:00:35 |
| abdullahcohn |
| Re: UK Muslim 'leader' urges women to take off the hijab!? |
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| jannah |
| 08/13/05 at 11:58:59 |
| wlm, I'm not surprised because many people have been attacking hijab for the last 10 years and trying to get rid of it, by stating that it is not fard or trying to come up with many false reasonings. BTW the fatwa is CORRECT IF the sister's life is known to be in danger or great harm could come from it, and before actually taking it off the fatwa in the US said they should try modifying their dress like wear a hat or something so its still kind of covering but blends in more so she is not harmed. Remember that Islam came to preserve life. If anything goes against that, even Islamic rulings, Islamic law changes because it is dynamic and from Allah, not human beings that are static. The issue in this case is that he has taken this to the media/prime minister who have jumped on it, hoping to use it as a way to 'assimilate' more Muslims. Thinking that taking off the hijab will somehow make someone more British!? (and would stop political terrorism which is damaging their policies perhaps?) He also from what I have heard, Allahu alam, has taken this 'fatwa' he gave to one sister and made it somehow apply to all Muslim women everywhere. Currently in Britain from what I have heard are not in grave danger of attack or killing because of their Hijab. No doubt they should be careful and have to endure comments, yelling or stares, but overall they are not in grave danger As for his history on Hijab in the past, I do see from our archives in 2001 that he does appear to have a history of strange rulings, so I wonder what his credentials are. And again we know that in Islam there is no clergy, but scholars check other scholars, so if any person who claims to be a scholar, whether it be Zaki Badawi, Jamal Badawi or Qaradawi, if his rulings go against ALL other scholars then we know it is a mistake and incorrect. |
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