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| WhatDFish |
| 08/16/05 at 20:41:11 |
| the lies are being uncovered . .. Shot Brazilian 'did not jump barrier and run' By Philip Johnston (Filed: 17/08/2005) The Brazilian electrician shot dead by police on the London Underground last month was being restrained when he was killed by officers from Scotland Yard's firearms unit, according to documents leaked last night. Jean Charles de Menezes, 27, was shot seven times in the head by two plainclothes policemen who had followed him on to the train at Stockwell station in the mistaken belief that he was a potential suicide bomber. Documents and photographs leaked to ITV News also confirmed that Mr de Menezes did not run from the police, as had been reported, had used his Tube pass to enter the station, rather than vault the barrier, and had taken a seat on the train before being grabbed by an officer. He was wearing a light denim jacket and not as previously reported a padded coat which could have concealed explosives. The documents, which contain witness statements made to the Independent Police Complaints Commission, also suggest that the intelligence operation may have been botched because an officer watching a flat believed to be the hideout of one of the suspects in the abortive July 21 attack was "relieving himself". Sir Ian Blair, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, has apologised for the death of Mr de Menezes and a senior officer has visited Brazil to talk to his family. However, the latest disclosures will cast fresh light on Sir Ian's insistence that the death was the tragic consequence of a legitimate operation. Shortly after the shooting, Sir Ian said: "Whatever else they were doing, they clearly thought they were faced with a suicide bomber and they were running towards him. Had that person been a suicide bomber and had the officers not fired and 25 yards up the track the bomb had exploded, the officers would be in a worse situation than they are now." He insisted that lethal force was the only option available to his officers once they had satisfied themselves Mr de Menezes was a suicide bomber. Yet a few days later, West Midlands police used a Taser stun weapon to arrest Yasin Hassan Omar, one of the July 21 suspects. Mr de Menezes was killed the day after the failed attacks on Tube trains and a bus. Guidelines issued since the September 11 attacks emphasise that police must not challenge suicide bombers or identify themselves for fear of prompting the bomber to detonate his device. Instead, they may fire a "critical head shot … prior to challenge". The complaints commission has taken statements from officers in the operation. Among the questions being asked is why the intelligence on the occupants of the flats suspected of harbouring the terror suspects failed to identify Mr de Menezes as an innocent party. It will also seek to establish why he was allowed to board a bus when buses had been targets in the two previous attacks. His family cannot reconcile the police assertion that he had to be stopped once he had boarded a Tube train with the fact that he got on to a bus. Questions will also be asked over why the impression that he was wearing a padded fleece was given continued credence when the photographs broadcast last night show him dressed differently. Wearing bulky clothing not in keeping with the weather is considered a sign of a potential suicide bomber. Scotland Yard said last night that it was unable to comment on any reports about the incident while it was being investigated. |
| 08/18/05 at 08:22:29 |
| jannah |
| Re: Shot Brazilian 'did not jump barrier and run' |
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| abdullahcohn |
| 08/17/05 at 04:32:23 |
| I new they were lying, they just wanted a dead paki to blaim things on. Brazilian shot by UK police wrongly identified-ITV uploaded 16 Aug 2005 LONDON, Aug 16 (Reuters) - The fate of a Brazilian electrician shot dead by British police was sealed the moment he was wrongly identified in a bungled surveillance operation as a possible suicide bomber, ITV News said on Tuesday. ITV News obtained what it said were secret documents and photographs from the shooting on July 22 of Jean Charles de Menezes, killed the day after four would-be bombers failed in attacks on London's transport system. CCTV footage and eyewitness accounts cited by ITV News showed that the Brazilian was not wearing a padded jacket and walked calmly through the underground station barriers -- contrary to initial reports that he was running and had a bulky jacket that could have concealed a bomb. Firearms officers had been given clearance to kill de Menezes but, as they sped towards the underground railway station, he apparently seemed completely unaware that he was being tailed, ITV News said. According to witness accounts and statements made by police officers involved, de Menezes boarded the train and was restrained by a surveillance officer before he was shot eight times. ITV News said there was a catastrophic failure in the surveillance operation when officers wrongly believed de Menezes could have been one of the failed bombers. The failed July 21 attacks came two weeks after four British Muslim suicide bombers killed 52 people in attacks on three London trains and a bus. Police declined to comment on the ITV report while the mistaken killing is still being investigated. Source: Reuters |
| 08/17/05 at 04:32:56 |
| abdullahcohn |
| Re: Shot Brazilian 'did not jump barrier and run' |
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| Fozia |
| 08/18/05 at 03:37:59 |
| [slm] [*]He wasn't wearing a thick over coat either. [*]None of the police men yelled 'Stop Police' (despite earlier reports). [*] There was not a single uniformed officer invovled in the chase, so basically, the man was running away from a bunch of gun toting strangers.... pretty logical thing to do under the circumstances. [*]He even stopped to pick up a newspaper on the way. So yes the [i]authorities[/i] just wanted a dead Muslim man, but Allah is the best of planners. Poor bloke was actually pretty decent, he was sending money home to his parents, one of whom is pretty ill with cancer. They tried to make him out to be an illegal immigrant, but it turns out he was here on a work permit. I wonder if the truth would have come out had the casualty been a Muslim man......???? Wassalaam |
| Re: Shot Brazilian 'did not jump barrier and run' |
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| jannah |
| 08/18/05 at 08:22:01 |
| wlm, btw he was NOT running.. the leaked report said he was walking calmly and even picked up a free newspaper... it said he obviously had no idea he was being tailed. |
| Re: Shot Brazilian 'did not jump barrier and run' |
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| WhatDFish |
| 08/18/05 at 12:26:17 |
| [quote]I wonder if the truth would have come out had the casualty been a Muslim man......? ???[/quote] good point Sr Fozia, i was wonderin abt that too, i think they would have made himout to be the baddest terrorist . . . they killed a muslim man in occupied palestine once and they told the world he had explosives strapped on him! perpetrators of lies! |
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