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First Muslim Miss England crowned
SisterHania
09/04/05 at 08:48:43
In additon there were 3 other Muslim entrants. When do Muslims win a major contest........unless of course it was pre-planned. After all these women become the new role models for our Muslim women and young impressionable Mslim girls......does it not encourage them that dressing imodestly is ok? ..................... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/4212412.stm A teenager who was born in Uzbekistan has become the first Muslim beauty contestant to be crowned Miss England. Hammasa Kohistani, 18, said she was "happy to make history" and was looking forward to representing England in the Miss World championships in China. She was born in Tashkent, central Uzbekistan, after her parents were forced to flee Afghanistan. The brunette, who speaks six languages including Russian and Persian, was selected from 40 contestants. She was crowned on Saturday night following the two-day competition at Liverpool's Olympia Theatre. Dressed in an ivory white chiffon and silk ball gown designed and made by her mother, the teenager spoke of her joy at winning the title. "When they announced that I had won I thought I had misheard. I hoped they hadn't, but it took a second to sink in." Asked about her feelings at being the first Muslim Miss England, she said: "I'm making history and I'm very happy. Hopefully I won't be the last." The student, who was known as Miss Maya after the Asian fashion house which sponsored her, has also been offered a part in a forthcoming Bollywood movie. Among those Miss Kohistani beat was another Muslim entrant, Sarah Mendly, 23, who was voted Miss Nottingham. Miss Mendly had been among the favourites but her entry caused controversy when Liverpool's Islamic institute called on her to pull out because contestants are often scantily clad. The Miss World championships will be held in December.

Re: First Muslim Miss England crowned
Fozia
09/04/05 at 10:30:27
[slm] Perhaps that's just a bad photo, but can't help thinking that the girl won [i]because[/i] she's Muslim. To make a point, to upset the community, to wait for people to say/do stupid things, to once again prove how backward we are in treating women. Wonder how much the Muslim entrants know/practice their religion, or is it that once, somewhere in their family, someone was Muslim. Wassalaam

Re: First Muslim Miss England crowned
Halima
09/04/05 at 12:05:38
[slm] sis Fozia wrote: [quote]Perhaps that's just a bad photo, but can't help thinking that the girl won because she's Muslim.  To make a point, to upset the community, to wait for people to say/do stupid things, to once again prove how backward we are in treating women.[/quote] My sentiments and thoughts exactly. [quote]Wonder how much the Muslim entrants know/practice their religion, or is it that once, somewhere in their family, someone was Muslim.[/quote]. Note: The article says [i]Dressed in an ivory white chiffon and silk ball gown designed and made by her mother, the teenager spoke of her joy at winning the title.[/i].  Who knows? Allahu Ya'alam. There are lots of us who know but do not practice our religion.  There was also a Muslim woman interviewd on BCC without Hijab and she went on to say that there is nowhere in the Qur'an that says adulterers should be stoned!  She was proud to be Muslim and moderate!!! Does Oprah show case Muslim women who are not bruised and battered?  NO. [wlm] Halima

Re: First Muslim Miss England crowned
thezman
09/05/05 at 04:55:21
[slm] Or maybe by choosing a muslim woman to win, they are sending out a symbolic message saying: this is the way to assimilate into our society...This is the acceptable behavior we are talking about...This is the face of moderate islam!

Re: First Muslim Miss England crowned
ummnajmah
09/05/05 at 12:44:20
[slm]This is sad to see. Don't they have to parade in swimming suits too? She is now suppossed to be a role model for young muslim women? La hawla wa la quwwata billah!
09/05/05 at 12:46:03
ummnajmah

Re: First Muslim Miss England crowned
Fozia
09/05/05 at 17:35:45
[slm] Just once, I wanna see an articulate, educated, high flying Hijaabi speak for the 'moderate Muslims' all of us in fact. One who speaks and makes us proud. As far as I recall, the miss world pageant is banned on terrestrial channels in the UK due to Feminist (note nothing to do with Islam) pressure, it has been for years. Therefore, if non-muslim people find the act of watching women being paraded like so many cattle at the meat market abhorrent. It goes without saying that Islam, which safe guards the dignity of believers, both men and women, absolutely does not condone this.....role model and first but not last indeed. Silly woman does she listen to herself when she speaks?? Wassalaam

Re: First Muslim Miss England crowned
panjul
09/05/05 at 17:37:02
[slm] wow. that's one bad picture, that's all i gotta say.
09/05/05 at 17:37:32
panjul

Re: First Muslim Miss England crowned
Kathy
09/05/05 at 17:59:57
Must be a cultural thing... I think she looks beautiful.

Re: First Muslim Miss England crowned
panjul
09/05/05 at 19:42:59
[slm] Kathy after reading you comment, i looked at her pic again to see if i was wrong. i wasnt. :) like the cliche guess beauty's in the eye of the beholder.

Re: First Muslim Miss England crowned
Siham
09/05/05 at 20:10:14
Here’s a better picture : http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/4209404.stm So, in sha Allah now we don’t have to worry, if beauty is indeed in the eyes of the beholder or not  :D :D :D
09/05/05 at 20:12:56
Siham

Re: First Muslim Miss England crowned
Fozia
09/06/05 at 05:08:42
[slm] Nope Sr. Siham that's the picture of the [i]other[/i] Muslim entrant, the winner is named Hammasa Kohistani. This one is Sarah something or other. Although I agree this girl is pretty. Wassalaam
09/06/05 at 05:09:10
Fozia

Re: First Muslim Miss England crowned
abdullahcohn
09/06/05 at 10:23:13
I think they are both real ugly and only got as far as they did to try and get muslims to "integrate". Don't you remember what happened in the last miss world? A ugly Afghan attended, and the american government put presure on the miss world judges to let her win. they decided to make her a new title cause she was too ugly to win and gave her the title of "beauty in a good cause". I think we should just ignore them, they are only doing it for the attention, so the more we talk about them, the better for them(financially).
09/06/05 at 10:24:06
abdullahcohn

Re: First Muslim Miss England crowned
jannah
09/06/05 at 10:32:04
wlm, umm wow u don't have to go so far as to call them ugly.. i mean they WON so they obviously aren't... but yes i agree.. just leave them be and ignore it... there are a lot of things many Muslims are doing that are incorrect. may Allah guide them all inshaAllah

Re: First Muslim Miss England crowned
Siham
09/07/05 at 12:36:55
Oops, I didn’t pay attention there, :D How many sisters entered this beauty contest anyways  ::)
09/07/05 at 12:37:17
Siham

Re: First Muslim Miss England crowned
Abdul_Hakeem_Yaqin
09/07/05 at 15:57:55
assalamu'alaikum wa rahmat allahi wa barakatuh all sisters and brothers :) I hope all is well with all of you and with your families and so on, the list can be made long :) ugly? tell me, what is ugly? I really wanna know, and since you talk abt it, you should answer me. how do you know you are right ? if I think opposite to you, do you then tell me I am wrong? maybe I am ugly to you. maybe if you saw me, you would think I came straight from an accident and need plastic surgery. maybe you would even puke and be so happy that you dont look like anything that resembles about little me.... I can live with the thought that ppl have preferences. some of them are superficial, and we may not act on them, some are more fundamental and we are not willing to compromise on them. Im just curious, since when is it a crime to be ugly, if now anyone is ugly? is someone ugly just because she/he doesnt fit your preference? I must admit, I have never ever seen an ugly person, sure, I have seen ppl who are not fitting the current view of beauty and other crap, but the only ugly ppl I have seen, was always ugly in behaviour and speech. hey, I am stupid, but maybe, just maybe, some of you are ugly too, without knowing it, just like me. wasalaam from Abdul Hakeem :) and to sister Fozia, I know you know this already, but since you said: "Just once, I wanna see an articulate, educated, high flying Hijaabi speak for the 'moderate Muslims' all of us in fact. One who speaks and makes us proud." there are so many, but some of us doesnt take them for serious always, because we dont pay attention, n others dont want them to reach too high :( Ps: pls email me some of the delishious food you ppl always rant and rave abt so I can download it wasalaam

Re: First Muslim Miss England crowned
Abdul_Hakeem_Yaqin
09/07/05 at 16:03:13
[slm] again.. abt something else, to sister Jannah, how many posts is required to obtain another star? for many years I thought the stars was the rating of my posts, which is logic since my writings wasnt too good in school either, which you all can see, then sister fozia informed me it is the number of posts. now I have come to the conclusion that sister fozia has TWO stars, but I only have one... still.... so when will I get my second star... thanks in advance from a curious fan in arctic areas wasalaam

Re: First Muslim Miss England crowned
Fozia
09/07/05 at 18:10:51
[slm] Br, I agree the wording on some of the posts was a bit strong, however I think the poster(s) were merely expressing their frustration that a muslimah would allow herself to be exploited in such a manner. It annoys me immensely that whilst muslims stray, they seem to think it is acceptable to intimate that they speak for the rest of us. When in point of fact they don't. For what it's worth, I think beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and the cultural aspect certainly comes into play too. My mother, for instance, thinks anyone with blond hair and blue eyes is the epitome of beautiful, amusingly she's been living in the UK for the last 30 years and is still of that mindset!!! Br I think you need to hit either the 50 posts or 100 posts mark before you get your second star. Wassalaam
09/07/05 at 18:12:36
Fozia

Re: First Muslim Miss England crowned
Siham
09/08/05 at 10:24:00
[slm] I personally don’t think a man should be pretty, I mean his beauty is defined in the way he thinks, the way he treats women and so on, its not that I’m suggesting otherwise –but that’s actually not the main focus. []
09/08/05 at 15:07:54
Siham

Re: First Muslim Miss England crowned
Siham
09/08/05 at 12:05:58
[slm] PS. Its described is already given to us in the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah, the characteristics of the Hoor Al-Ayn (the women in Jannah) Such as the silk they wear, their large beautiful dark eyes and so forth... So, I'm afraid that there isn't any room for our own interpretations and preferences, on what already has been decided on - which is the real meaning of true beauty, be it from a "cultural aspect" or " in the eye of the beholder" for that matter. Here's a brief description on the Al-Hoor Al-'Eeyn in the Qur'an. "So [it will be] and We shall marry them to Houris with wide lovely eyes." [44:54] al-Hoor is the plural of Hooraa', which is a woman, the white parts of her eyes intensely white, and the black is intensely black. al-'Eeyn is the plural for 'Aynaa, which is the woman whose eyes are wide. The Qur'an describes al-Hoor al-'Eeyn as being firm and full-breasted: "Verily, for al-Muttaqoon, there will be a success; gardens and grapeyards and young full-breasted [mature] maidens of equal age." [78:31-33] Al-Hoor al-'Eeyn are creatures that Allaah (swt) has made especially for Paradise, and has made them virgins: "Verily, We have created [their companions] of special creation, and made them virgin-pure [and undefiled], beloved [by nature], equal in age." [56:35-37] The fact that they are virgins means that no-one has ever married them before: "...whom no man or jinn has touched before them." [55:56] The Qur'an also speaks of the beauty of the women of al-Jannah: "And [there will be] Houris with wide lovely eyes [as wives for the pious], Like unto preserved pearls." [56:22-23] Maknoon ["preserved"] means hidden or protected, something whose colour is not changed by exposure to sunlight or by being tampered with. Elsewhere, Allaah likens them to rubies and coral, two beautiful precious stones: "In them will be [maidens] restraining their glances, whom no man or jinn has touched before them, Then which of the favours of your Rabb will you deny? Like unto rubies and coral." [55:56-58] Al-Hoor are also described as restraining their gaze upon their husbands i.e. they restrict their gaze and don't let their eyes wander to others. Allaah (swt) has stated that they are very beautiful, and it is sufficient to know that Allaah (swt) said: "In them will be fair [companions] good and beautiful; then which of the favours of your Rabb will you deny? Companions restrained [as to their glances] in [goodly] pavilions" [55:70-72] "If one of the women of Paradise were to look at the people of this world, everything in between them would be lit up and filled with her fragrance. The veil on her head is better than this world and everything in it." [al-Bukhaari, in as-Saheeh, Kitaab al-Jihaad, Baab wa Zawwajnahum bi Hoor-'Eeyn. Fath al-Baari, 6/15] Here are more description on the Hoor Al-Ayn  (i.e Hadith) Umm-e-Salma (Radhiallaahu Anha) mentions that she asked Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) to explain the Aayat, ‘There will be hoorun-een’. (56:22). Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, ‘They will be women with wide eyes having a sharp contrast between the white of the cornea and the black of the iris. They will be fair complexioned and their limbs will be free of hair like the wings of a bird.’ Umm-e-Salma (Radhiallaahu Anhu) then asked for an explanation of the verse, ‘They will be like concealed pearls’ (56:23) to which Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) explained that their purity would be like that of a earl still inside the oyster, untouched by human hands.’ She then asked for an explanation of the verse, ‘They will be good and fair’ (55:70) to which Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) replied, ‘Their character will be good and their faces will be fair.’ She then asked Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) to explain the verse, ‘It will be as if they are preserved eggs.’ Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, ‘Their softness and delicacy would be like that of the skin you see inside the egg under the shell.’ She then asked Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) to explain the verses, ‘We made them virgins, loving and equal in age.’ (56:36, 37). Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) explained, ‘They will be those women who left this world old, grey-haired and purch-skinned. Allah will recreate them after this old-age and will make them loving virgins who would be very passionate towards their husband who in turn would be madly in love with them. They would all be of the same age.’ She then asked, ‘O Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam), are the women of this world superior or the hurs?’ He replied, ‘The women of this world will have superiority over the hurs just as the outer lining of a garment has superiority over the inner lining.’ Umm-e-Salma (Radhiallaahu Anhu) then asked, ‘O Rasulullah (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam), what is the reason for this?’ He answered, ‘Because they performed Salaat, fasted and worshipped Allah. Allah will put light on their faces and silk on their bodies. (the human women) will be fair in complexion and will wear green clothing and yellow jewellery. Their incense-burners will be made of pearls and their combs will be of gold. They will say, ‘We are the women who will stay forever and we will never die. We are the women who will always remain in comfort and we will never die. We are the women who will always remain in comfort and we will never undergo difficulty. We are the women who will stay and we will never leave. Listen, we are happy women and we will never become sad. Glad tidings to those men for whom we are and who are for us.’ She then asked, ‘A women of this world married two, three or four husband in this world, then dies and enters Jannah with them, who will be her husband?’ Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) answered, ‘O Umm-e-Salma (Radhiallaahu Anhu), she will be allowed to choose between them, so she will choose the one with the best character. She will say to Allah, O Allah, this husband displayed the best character to me in the world, so marry him to me.’ Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) further added, ‘O Umm-e-Salma, good character has gained (for him) the excellence of this world and the hereafter.’ [narrated by Tabrani vol.23 pg.367; ibn Kathir in his Tafseer under verse22 Surah56] [wlm]
09/08/05 at 12:28:55
Siham

Re: First Muslim Miss England crowned
Nadeem
09/09/05 at 07:05:54
[slm] [quote author=thezman link=board=ummah;num=1125834524;start=0#3 date=09/05/05 at 04:55:21]    [slm] Or maybe by choosing a muslim woman to win, they are sending out a symbolic message saying: this is the way to assimilate into our society...This is the acceptable behavior we are talking about...This is the face of moderate islam! [/quote] Yeah, I'm with you on this one, zman.  Although this may have been a secondary benefit for them. Maybe they just thought she fit the criteria to win the competition.  Because ultimately that's what it is.  A beauty contest.

Re: First Muslim Miss England crowned
Siham
09/12/05 at 21:25:15
Assalamu Alaikum wa Rahmat Allah wa barakatu, As Muslims we ought to pray for our fellow Muslim brothers and sisters, because most certainly its not our place to insinuate otherwise. Nor, can we be sure that her Imaan would not be superior to ours, on the last day – when Allah will order the Angel of death to take the soul of every living creature on this planet earth. Therefore, one could question the permissibility of circulating this and not least because of the pictures, but also because speaking of the sins of other individuals deadens the heart of a believe. And hence many of our great Ulama (religious learned men) have indeed put special emphases on this issue and thus have repeatedly reminded us, so Insha’Allah we can all reflect on this.............. May Allah SWT keep us with Imaan, and take us with Imaan ya Rab! .... and put love and mercy in our heart for our fellow brothers and sisters in Islam. Please, lets us all pray for our Ummah as a whole instead insha’Allah. wassalaam. :-)
09/26/05 at 09:48:17
Siham

Re: First Muslim Miss England crowned
abdullahcohn
09/14/05 at 13:09:57
Jannah, I don’t think winning means they are attractive. I think they were allowed to win in spite of what they look like to act as role models for Muslim girls. Abdul Hakem, Maybe I would regard you as ugly. Maybe I wouldn’t. I am not the one saying it is a crime to be ugly, or a virtue to be attractive. That’s what concepts like “Miss world”, are saying. Why do you think it is regarded as sexist? Women are judged purely on what they look like. “Miss World” is the propaganda of the people who exploit women. It is there to tell women that they have to dress in ways that are pleasing to the men who see them, while Islam tells women to dress in was that please Allah. The reason why a Muslim was declared Miss England was a targeted advertisement to get Muslim women integrated in to immorality. Miss England will be used as a poster girl by the enemies of Hijab and Islam. When a girl wears Hijab and some one wants her to remove it, they will use the example of Miss England. I think if the picture below was the only Muslim contestant of Miss England, she would be allowed to win. They wanted Muslims to integrated, and Miss England pageant is just one of the means they are using.
http://www.jannah.org/board/attachments/missengland.bmp
missengland.bmp

Re: First Muslim Miss England crowned
Mujahideen
09/25/05 at 04:20:53
[slm] Subhannallah – this thread is quite sick. I cannot believe we are actually sitting around and calling another Muslim ugly. I mean really, conspiracy theories aside as to why she won – even if she were ‘ugly’ it is grossly inappropriate to comment on such. Are we just not aware of the prohibition of backbiting? Are we not feasting on our sisters flesh by calling her ugly? Do we want to take this to our graves? Personally I don’t – Mashallah she is very attractive. May Allah Aza’ wa Jal increase her in her faith and knowledge, May He allow her to apply such knowledge and grant her the highest station of Jennah. May He forgive us for our transgressions and veil our sins on the day of standing.

Re: First Muslim Miss England crowned
timbuktu
09/25/05 at 05:04:10
[slm] ugly is as ugly does It is not a conspiracy theory. The West is quite open about it. Has been. It  wants to change Islam. It wants to bring about a revolution in Islam that disposes off our sources of Quran and Hadith, and leave it for the individual to practice the deen within his home - to give up the concept of sin, and to enjoy life here. But at what cost? The US, with its 10.3 trillion dollar GPD and 280 million people has 37 million below the poverty line.

Re: First Muslim Miss England crowned
ummnajmah
09/26/05 at 09:44:55
[slm] While I disagree with what this sister is doing, I think it's wrong to call her ugly and such. She alone will have to face Allah(SWT) about her behaviour just like each one of us about the various things we may have done. At the same time when she stands up there and they know that she is a muslim, it seems like she is representing all muslims.And if this is the face of modern Islam, I for one want no part of it. We should realise the dangers of imitating the non-muslims in their behaviours and dress. We need to look at how the Quran encourages us to dress, the Sunnah of Rasulullah( Peace and Blessing Be Upon him) and the hadith. We need to know about the awrah of a man and that of a woman and cover as the Sahaba and Sahabiyat did inshallah. Noone can be perfect but we can inshallah strive to do that which Allah(SWT) has commanded us to do. So inshallah, maybe this sister or any other sister will realize this and strive to that which is correct. I just wouldn't like for people to look at her as a role model for muslim women as she is right now.

Re: First Muslim Miss England crowned
SisterHania
09/26/05 at 14:43:27
[slm] Didn't realise this thread would turn into a debate about her beauty. At the end of the day we are all created by Allah, our physical beauty is not something we can control. I was more concerned that the next generation would have role models that soley provided 'superficial' inspiration. It would be wonderful if we had more politicians, teachers, lawyers, islamic leaders etc. If our community excelled in fields, this would inspire the next generation to work hard to better themselves and in turn make the community stronger. Since working in a school, the Muslim kids I've taught tend to aspire to be rap stars, drug dealers or super models............ :( Can we blame them when they know no better?
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