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When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
Anonymous
10/07/05 at 00:31:18
What age do you think a Muslim Girl Should marry?

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
jannah
10/07/05 at 00:46:31
Salam, I think we get this question every 2 months lol... check some of the old threads. Basically the consensus is whenever she is ready and that depends on the person.

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
ansab
10/22/05 at 03:31:57
For boys or girls, right age is 16-18.  This was the marriage age usually in almost all muslim countries about 30-50 years ago.  Howver, times are changing and muslims are also delaying marriages more and more.  In many countries muslims girls are unmarried even at age of 30 years or even above and usual reason will be not able to find ideal.  In todays world where kufr is easily being practiced by muslims as well without fear, parents should  realise how important it is to get married at the earliest.  Certainly around 16 is most appropriate age.  May Allah give us guidance to understand things better.

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
theOriginal
10/22/05 at 06:39:32
[slm] Although I agree that everyone should get married when they're young,  I'm not sure where you are getting your numbers from.  The Prophet (saw) married when he was 25, if we're going by the sunnah.   And I hate it to break it to everyone who managed to get married really young (mashaAllah, btw) ... it's simply not that easy to get married in today's world. Wasalaam.

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
Siham
10/22/05 at 17:33:14
[slm] Marriage in Islam is “half of our faith” and it certainly cannot be taken lightly so it should be pursued once someone is financially and emotional prepared for a lifetime commitment insha'Allah. wassalaam.

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
abdullahcohn
10/22/05 at 18:34:26
I think girls should get married as soon as they hit puberty, just like the prophet's (saw)best wife(ra).

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
Siham
10/22/05 at 19:02:10
[quote]The Shariah has outlined certain characteristics which one should look for in a spouse. It is authentically reported that the prophet (sa) said, "Marry a woman for four reasons.[5]" Then the Prophet (sa) mentioned the following: 1.Her religion   2.Her beauty   3.Her wealth   4.Her family Then the Prophet (sa) said, "Marry the possessor of religion. May you be blessed.[6]" And of course this [i]hadith[/i]  relates to what women should look for in men as well. Many People have misunderstood this hadith and its intent. Some have understood that beauty, wealth, and family are not important. However, what the Prophet (sa) implied was that religion should be the first priority. However, if one is able to find a woman with religion and beauty that is good. If one is able to find a woman with religion, beauty, and wealth that is better. Finally, if one is able to find a woman with religion, beauty, wealth and a good family that is the [i]best[/i] . And for that reason the Prophet (sa) never married another woman while he was married to our Mother Khadijah (ra). Because, according to the scale of this hadith, she had all four qualities. Thus, she was a complete woman.[/quote] Source:http://www.sunnipath.com/Resources/Questions/QA00005391.aspx
10/22/05 at 19:07:36
Siham

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
bhaloo
10/24/05 at 01:46:32
[quote author=Siham link=board=madrasa;num=1128655879;start=0#6 date=10/22/05 at 19:02:10]And for that reason the Prophet (sa) never married another woman while he was married to our Mother Khadijah (ra). Because, according to the scale of this hadith, she had all four qualities. Thus, she was a complete woman.[/quote] What is your proof for this? And what are you implying that the Prophet's marriage to multiple wives at once was because they didn't have all four qualities?
10/24/05 at 01:47:19
bhaloo

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
jannah
10/24/05 at 09:12:47
wlm, interesting i've heard some brothers bring up that argument siham but never a sister ;)   does anyone have the arabic text. it would be interesting to see it to see if there is a translation issue going on where some ppl translate "a woman CAN be married for four" and some translate as "marry FOR four reasons.."

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
theOriginal
10/24/05 at 09:22:26
[slm] From what I understand, Ayesha (ra) was married (nikkah) even before she hit puberty, and it was consummated later. I don't think that's a viable option in many circumstances today.  Girls of 9, 11 .. even 15, 16 are not ready for marriage because they lack the maturity that is needed. Man I should stop reading these threads...they're making me angry. Wasalaam.

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
Siham
10/24/05 at 12:55:29
[quote author=bhaloo link=board=madrasa;num=1128655879;start=0#7 date=10/24/05 at 01:46:32]What is your proof for this?[/quote] [slm] Good question bro bhaloo, here are the reasons why our dear beloved Prophet Muhammad [saw] married many wives; Why The Prophet Married Why did prophet Mohammad (pbuh) marry many wives, and who were they, their names and brief background on each one of them (may Allah bless them all). When people hear that the prophet had many wives they conclude without much thought that the prophet was a sensuous man. However, a quick historical review of his marriages, proves otherwise. When he was twenty-five years old he married for the first time. His wife, Khadijah, was fifteen years older than he. She remained the only wife of the prophet for the next twenty-five years, until she died (may Allah be pleased with her). Only after her death, did the prophet marry other women. Now, it is obvious that if the prophet was after physical pleasure he did not have to wait until he was more than fifty years old to start marrying more wives. He lived in a society in which it was quite acceptable to have many wives. But the prophet remained devoted to his only wife for twenty-five years. When she died she was sixty-five years old. His later marriages were for various reasons. Some marriages were with the view to help the women whose husbands had been killed while they were defending their faith. Others were with a view to cement relationships with devoted followers like Abu Bakr, may Allah be pleased with him. Yet others were to build bridges with various tribes who were otherwise at war with the Muslims. When the prophet became their relative through marriage, their hostilities calmed down, and much bloodshed was averted. Recent non-Muslim writers who had the opportunity to study the life of the prophet first-hand reach a similar conclusion about his plural marriages. John L. Esposito, Professor of Religion and Director of the Centre for International Studies at the College of the Holy Cross, says that most of these marriages had "political and social motives" (Islam: The Straight Path, Oxford University Press, 1988, p. 19). This he explained as follows: "As was customary for Arab chiefs, many were political marriages to cement alliances. Others were marriages to the widows of his companions who had fallen in combat and were in need of protection" (John L. Esposito, Islam: The Straight Path, pp. 19-20). Esposito reminds us of the following historical fact: "Though less common, polygyny was also permitted in biblical and even in postbiblical Judaism. From Abraham, David, and Solomon down to the reformation period, polygyny was practiced" (p. 19). Another non-Muslim Caesar E. Farah writes as follows: "In the prime of his youth and adult years Muhammad remained thoroughly devoted to Khadijah and would have none other for consort. This was an age that looked upon plural marriages with favor and in a society that in pre-Biblical and post-Biblical days considered polygamy an essential feature of social existence. David had six wives and numerous concubines (2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3) and Solomon was said to have had as many as 700 wives and 300 concubines (1 Kings 11:3). Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines (2 Chronicles 11:21). The New Testament contains no specific injunction against plural marriages. It was commonplace for the nobility among the Christians and Jews to contract plural marriages. Luther spoke of it with toleration" (Caesar E. Farah, Islam: Beliefs and Observances, 4th edition, Barron's, U.S. 1987, p. 69). Caesar Farah then concluded that Muhammad's plural marriages were due "partly to political reasons and partly to his concern for the wives of his companions who had fallen in battle defending the nascent Islamic community" (p. 69). KHADIJAH: She was 40 years old when she proposed to marry the Prophet when he was 25 years old. After 15years of their marriage he became a prophet. She had been married twice before she married Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Her first husband was Aby Haleh Al Tamemy and her second husband was Oteaq Almakzomy. They had both died leaving Khadijah a widower. Khadijah died in 621A.D. This was the same year the Prophet ascended into heaven (Meraj). SAWDA BINT ZAM'A: Her first husband was Al Sakran Ibn Omro Ibn Abed Shamz. He died within a few days after his return from Ethiopia. She was 65 years old, poor, and had no one to care for her. This was why Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) married her. AISHA SIDDIQA: A woman named Kholeah Bint Hakeem suggested that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) marry Aishah, the daughter of Aby Bakr, to form a close relationship with Aby Bakr's family. She was already engaged to Jober Ibn Al Moteam Ibn Oday. At this time Jober was not yet a Muslim. The people of Makkah did not object to Aishah becoming married because although she was young, she was mature enough to understand the responsibility of marriage. Prophet Muhammad (bpuh) was engaged to Aishah for 2 years before he married her. Aby Bakr was the first leader after Prophet Muhammad's (pbuh) death. HAFSAH BINT U'MAR: She was the daughter of Omar, the second Calipha. Omar asked Othman to marry Hafsah. Othman refused because his wife had recently died and Othman did not want to remarry. Omar then went to Aby Bakr but he also refused to marry Hafsah. Aby Bakr knew that the Prophet had already considered marrying Hafsah. Omar then went to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and complained that Othman and Aby Bakr did not want to marry his daughter. The Prophet told Omar that his daughter will marry and Othman will also remarry. Othman married the daughter of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), Om Kolthoom, and Hafsah married the Prophet. This made Omar and Othman both happy. ZAYNAB BINT KHUZAYMA: Her husband died in the battle of Uhud, leaving her poor and with several children. She was old when Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) married her. She died 3 months after she married the Prophet 625 A.D. SALAMA BINT UMAYYA: Her husband, Abud Allah Abud Al Assad Ibn Al Mogherah, died leaving Hend poor and with many children. Hend was at least 65 years old at the time. Aby Bakr and several others asked her to marry them, but because she loved her husband very much, she refused the marriage's offers. But finally she accepted Prophet mohammad's offer to marry her and take care of her children. ZAYNAB BINT JAHSH: She was the daughter of Prophet Muhammad's aunt, Omameh Bint Abud Almutaleb. The Prophet arranged for Zaynab to marry Zayed Ibn Hareathah Al Kalby. This marriage did not last and the Prophet received a verse in the Quran which stated that if they became divorced, then the Prophet must marry Zaynab (Sura 33:37). JUWAYRIYA BINT AL-HARITH: Her first husband's name was Masafeah Ibn Safuan. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) wanted Juayreah's tribe (Beni Al Mostalag)to convert to Islam. Juayreah became a prisoner after the Muslims won the Battle of Al Mostalaq. Juayreah's father came to the Prophet and offered a payment for her return. The Prophet asked her father to give her a choice. When she was given a choice she said she accepted Islam and Prophet Muhammad as the last God's Messenger. The Prophet then married her. Her tribe of Beni Almostalag accepted Islam. SAFIYYA BINT HUYAYY: She was from the tribe of Beni Nadir, who were from the children of Levi (Israel). She was married twice before, then she married Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Her first husband Salam Ibn Moshkem, and her second husband was Kenanah Ibn Al Rabeeah. UMMU HABIBA BINT SUFYAN: Her first husband was Aubed Allah Jahish. He was the son of the aunt of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Aubed Allah died in Ethiopia. The king of Ethiopia arranged the marriage of Ramelah to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). MAYAMUNA BINT AL-HARITH: She was 26years old when she married Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Her first husband was Abu Rahma Ibn Abed Alzey. When the Prophet opened Makkah in 630 AD , she came to the Prophet, accepted Islam and proposed to marry him. Her actions encouraged Many Makkahans to accept Islam and Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). MARIA AL-QABTIYYA: She was sent to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) as a hand maid servant from the king of Egypt. Maria had a son from the Prophet. His name was Ibrahim.

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
Siham
10/24/05 at 12:59:16
[quote author=jannah link=board=madrasa;num=1128655879;start=0#8 date=10/24/05 at 09:12:47]wlm, interesting i've heard some brothers bring up that argument siham but never a sister ;)  [/quote] lol well I guess I was speaking from a personal experience then…. for instance my dad neither married another woman in his entire life nor does he intend to do so, perhaps its all a reflection of what I’ve seen so far. In addition to what sis JO said, I would like to mention that nowadays there are also many adults who are still in their “Puberties” so to speak :o (as far as their maturity level is concerned) and vice versa of course. wassalaam.
11/10/05 at 21:03:10
Siham

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
Fozia
10/24/05 at 14:25:30
[quote author=Anonymous link=board=madrasa;num=1128655879;start=0#0 date=10/07/05 at 00:31:18]What age do you think a Muslim Girl Should marry?[/quote] [slm] When the right person proposes.... Wassalaam

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
bhaloo
10/24/05 at 20:53:41
[quote author=Siham link=board=madrasa;num=1128655879;start=10#10 date=10/24/05 at 12:55:29] [slm] Good question bro bhaloo, here are the reasons why our dear beloved Prophet Muhammad [saw] married many wives; [/quote] [wlm] I'm familiar with the article you cited, and there were reasons why he married them,  however you said: [quote] And for that reason the Prophet (sa) never married another woman while he was married to our Mother Khadijah (ra). Because, according to the scale of this hadith, she had all four qualities. Thus, she was a complete woman. [/quote] His other wives had these qualities, they were the mother of the believers!  They were in fact complete women, yet the Prophet (SAW) married other women, for reasons such as you mentioned later.  Someone should not think that the Prophet's wives were not complete women, that is my point.  And that is the issue that I have with what you cited earlier. What is your proof for this? And what are you implying that the Prophet's marriage to multiple wives at once was because they didn't have all four qualities?

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
jannah
10/24/05 at 23:42:40
wlm, i think the argument comes in when people say, that having the four qualities are the best... so they are always looking for wealth, status, beauty, and deen -- all four on an equal level are their requirements but then i wonder what the point of the hadith was.. wasn't it to emphasize that deen is more important than the others and to concentrate on that?

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
Siham
10/25/05 at 14:42:08
[quote author=Fozia link=board=madrasa;num=1128655879;start=10#12 date=10/24/05 at 14:25:30]When the right person proposes.... [/quote] Exactly.... and with the perfect [i]ROCK[/i] that comes along with it  ;) [quote author=jannah link=board=madrasa;num=1128655879;start=10#14 date=10/24/05 at 23:42:40]but then i wonder what the point of the hadith was.. wasn't it to emphasize that deen is more important than the others and to concentrate on that? [/quote] Indeed, the Deen is the most important quality, but having said that -- it doesn't hurt to have it all either :-* wassalaams.

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
Siham
11/09/05 at 01:14:27
[quote author=bhaloo link=board=madrasa;num=1128655879;start=10#13 date=10/24/05 at 20:53:41]His other wives had these qualities, they were the mother of the believers!  They were in fact complete women, yet the Prophet (SAW) married other women, for reasons such as you mentioned later.  Someone should not think that the Prophet's wives were not complete women, that is my point.  And that is the issue that I have with what you cited earlier. What is your proof for this? [/quote] Brother, Khadijah was indeed a complete woman there is no denying the truth! There is none like her, or ever will be period. And it was certainly self-evident in her lifetime. That’s why the Prophet (Peace Be Upon Him) never married anyone else while she was alive, simply because she was the BEST. Hence, even the Messenger of Allah (Peace Be Upon Him) said: "Maryam [Mary, Jesus’ mother] was the best woman of her time, and the best woman of this Ummah is Khadijah ." [Al-Bukhari and Muslim] Furthermore, Aishah would say: "I was not jealous of any other wife of the Prophet as I was jealous of Khadijah, because of his constant mentioning of her and because God had commanded him to give her good tidings of a mansion in Paradise of precious stones. And whenever he sacrificed a sheep he would send a fair portion of it to those who had been her intimate friends. Many a time I said to him:"It is as if there had never been any other woman in the world except Khadijah." So, If you happened to disagree with what I’ve posted which is completely fine, because its merely [i]"an opinion"[/i] , and everyone is entitled to it of course, but many of our great [i]Ulama[/i] (Scholars) have agreed on this very fact. Therefore, nowadays a lot of brothers say that they need a wife like Khadijah, but they often fail to realize that a woman like Khadijah needs a man like Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) . So in order to marry a wife like Khadijah - they need to be like the Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) Wassalaam.

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
bhaloo
11/09/05 at 22:53:41
[quote author=Siham link=board=madrasa;num=1128655879;start=10#16 date=11/09/05 at 01:14:27] So, If you happened to disagree with what I’ve posted which is completely fine, because its merely [i]"an opinion"[/i] , and everyone is entitled to it of course, but many of our great [i]Ulama[/i] (Scholars) have agreed on this very fact. [/quote] Do you even know what I said, because you did not even respond to it. I said: His other wives had these qualities, they were the mother of the believers!  They were in fact complete women, yet the Prophet (SAW) married other women =========================== You said: And for that reason the Prophet (sa) never married another woman while he was married to our Mother Khadijah (ra). Because, according to the scale of this hadith, she had all four qualities. Thus, she was a complete woman. ;========================== By saying someone is not a complete woman (the 4 qualities according to you), then you are saying they are lacking one or more of these qualities and this is not the case.  Telling me which one of the 4 qualities does Aisha (ra) lack?  The point is that the analysis you put up is an exaggeration and has no basis.  The Prophet's wives were all complete women, alhumdullilah.  Khadija (ra) was the best among the ummah as you pointed out, but it is completely wrong to say that the other wives of the Prophet (SAW) were incomplete and that's why he married others.
11/09/05 at 23:29:28
bhaloo

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
Siham
11/10/05 at 18:22:39
[quote author=bhaloo link=board=madrasa;num=1128655879;start=10#17 date=11/09/05 at 22:53:41]Do you even know what I said, because you did not even respond to it.[/quote] [slm] In order for you to be heard, you have to learn to listen. Hence, did I ever once mentioned the other wives of the prophet (PBUH) on any of my previous posts, the answer to this question is: NO! So, why compare? Everyone is different and has his/her own uniqueness to them and that's indeed what makes them special. I hope this answers your question insha'Allah. wassalaam.
11/10/05 at 18:24:17
Siham

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
Siham
11/11/05 at 09:06:41
[slm] Well After answering your questions, I have some questions for you bhaloo. I think the readers - including myself - deserve to know what are your Islamic scholarly qualifications? a) where did you study in matters of Islamic knowledge b) when did you study there c) who were your teachers d) who issued you an ijaza and if so, what are you qualified to teach wassalaam.
11/11/05 at 09:08:52
Siham

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
jannah
11/11/05 at 09:20:32
Siham, the same can be asked of yourself? Again, no one is a scholar here and we all acknowledge that. If someone wants to post something they believe to be right then it is fine to ask for a source. If it is an opinion then let's all acknowledge it is an opinion.

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
Siham
11/11/05 at 09:26:36
[slm] I'm asking for his credentials because I would like to know what authority - if any - he has in any matter of Islamic knowledge.  After subtle number of insults he's thrown my way, should loan me a little latitude on this line methinks  :)

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
jannah
11/11/05 at 09:37:04
wlm, with all due respect sister, you do not have that right. again you can ask for a source from someone or realize something is an opinion, but that is as far as you can go. as for insults they are not allowed on the board and i don't see anything in this thread insulting towards you. bhaloo is the one asking you for proof about something you said, which is the correct way to go about things. you mentioned it was only your opinion and bhaloo posted why he thought it was wrong. case closed. i think that we can move on now. jazakamullahu khairan

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
Siham
11/11/05 at 09:46:03
[quote author=jannah link=board=madrasa;num=1128655879;start=20#20 date=11/11/05 at 09:20:32]Siham, the same can be asked of yourself? [/quote] [slm] For the record, I have never attempted to present myself as having received authority to teach via an ijaza. I am quite happy to plainly state my academic credentials. I did a Bachelor of Finance and Accounting at the University of Minnesota (2000-2004). I have just completed a course of Arts in Islamic studies. My current course work studies are in Researching Islam and Muslim Societies; Muslim Philosophical Traditions; Islamic Banking and Finance; Islamic Theology: Schools and Methods; Sufism: Doctrines and Practices; Methods of Qur'anic Sciences; Methodology of Hadith; Methods of Islamic Law; Islamic Education: Philosophy & Methods; and an individual study in which I researched a sociological profile of American Muslim converts. Now that I have my creds. out on the table, I'd like to know what bhloo's are.
11/11/05 at 10:26:11
Siham

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
jannah
11/11/05 at 11:21:53
Sister Siham, I don't think you're understanding what I'm saying. It is nice of you to offer that information about yourself, but it is not your [i] haqq[/i] to ask the same of everyone on the board, nor is it appropriate.  I only wrote that to point out that I'm sure you would not like the same being done to you. Again, if you find something someone said unislamic, just ask them for a source or ask them if that is their opinion and then you can state your own opinion or your own evidence perhaps. And lastly to re-iterate no one on the board is a scholar currently, so there is no point in asking people for their "credentials". We are all the same -- equal here as ordinary Muslims. Some may have read more or studied more or may have access to more resources but that does not make them scholars and does not make their words more important than anyone else. take care inshallah wsalaam

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
bhaloo
11/12/05 at 10:31:36
[quote author=Siham link=board=madrasa;num=1128655879;start=10#19 date=11/11/05 at 09:06:41] [slm] Well After answering your questions, I have some questions for you bhaloo. I think the readers - including myself - deserve to know what are your Islamic scholarly qualifications? [/quote] What makes you think you have answered the question?  You still don't understand what is being said/asked. As for your other insulting questions, they don't even merit a response.  But I will mention this, I have studied some of the people you take your knowledge from in great detail, and know statements of their teachers and books and have interacted with some of them and have saved such correspondence.  It is one of my hobbies.

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
Siham
11/12/05 at 12:37:51
Assalamu Alaikum, Dear jannah, I don't get offended if people ask me to show them my practicing certificate or if they ask what areas of legal practice I have had experience in. why would someone wish to come to me for mental examination? they would be mad to. I have only completed one undergraduate course and have little or no practical experience. bhloo on this forum, not just this issue have taught about Islam and has disagreed and disrespected the position of many great and respected Ulama (Scholars) and asserts to misguide people DESPITE the overwhelming position of the Scholars:       1) http://www.jannah.org/cgi-bin/madina/YaBB.pl?board=masjid;action=display;num=1128788719 2) http://www.jannah.org/cgi-bin/madina/YaBB.pl?board=masjid;action=display;num=1130944661 3) http://www.jannah.org/cgi-bin/madina/YaBB.pl?board=masjid;action=display;num=1131374325 So people who challenge scholars on issues... should tell us what qualifies them to do so. This isn't a personal thing, me seeking the details of bhloo’s' credentials has little to do with his continues uncalled for sarcasm attacks and insults (i.e very unislamic attitude). But rather the specifics of his credentials as I would like to ascertain the basis from his knowledge, of where and when, what years and so on. I am surprised that he is not willing to furnish details of his education and any authority to teach or speak on Islamic matters. I would like to know the authority of what he says on matters of Islam. Sidi Faraz Rabbani, Shaykh Nuh Hah Mim Keller, Shaykh Hamza Yusuf etc... all publish the details of their authority to speak, so that any person like me can ascertain they have the appropriate training, background and knowledge. I would expect the same from any person claiming to represent traditional Islam. So far I have answered all his questions, or at least attempted to, I would like him do the same for me insha’Allah. wassaalam

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
Fozia
11/12/05 at 13:20:59
[slm] Sr Siham I think sometimes, that maybe you don't quite understand what you are being asked. If someone disagrees with what you are saying they are not being disrespectful or insulting. As for me I don't know nothing. But I have been here long enough to know that Br. Bahloo is not the kinda guy to enter into a slanging match. Sometimes, I too get confused when you post (what seem to me) completely random fatwas. I mean we have come from the original question and entered into a debate regarding the mother of the believers...it does appear (from what you have posted) that yuou think all of them (ra) except for Khadeeja (ra) were incomplete women... I always thoguht the beloved Prophet (saw) remembered his first wife with such love because she was [*] Just that His(saw) first wife [*] She spent all her wealth in His(saw) cause ie Islam [*] She was the only one of his(saw) wives to bear him children (except Maria but their son did not live long) [*] She was the first to Accept Islam as her religion..... and so on. I think I may have read somewhere at some point that the Beloved Prophet (saw) told this to Aisha (ra) when she insulted Khadeeja (ra) in a fit of jealousy. I reiterate I dunno much. Sr. Siham, you're posts are pretty informative (and amusing, the Amir of the house is still thoroughly bemused as to why I should try and sing at him, he offered me money not to ;D). I honestly do not think Br, Bahloo is being insulting he is merely querying your opinion, I was rather confounded by your assumption too. Wassalaam

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
Siham
11/12/05 at 13:30:32
[quote author=bhaloo link=board=madrasa;num=1128655879;start=20#25 date=11/12/05 at 10:31:36]What makes you think you have answered the question?  You still don't understand what is being said/asked. As for your other insulting questions, they don't even merit a response.  But I will mention this, I have studied some of the people you take your knowledge from in great detail, and know statements of their teachers and books and have interacted with some of them and have saved such correspondence.  It is one of my hobbies.[/quote] Subhan’Allah, we insist on knowing whether our solicitor has a practicing certificate, whether our physiotherapist is qualified and whether our accountant has the requisite degrees. But we treat our Islam so cheaply. it seems that in this country, all you need is a little charisma and a hobby and you suddenly become a teacher. Is it any wonder people travel to Syria and Yemen to study?                   So, why did Sh. Nuh Keller publish his credentials? why do I know the qualifications of my late Shaykh? why did he publish his ijazas and qualifications? was it to show off? was it to insult the Ulama who agreed with him? bhloo come down from your horse brother and go to sleep, next time you fall ill, go and see an accountant. after all, anyone with a university degree can diagnose an illness. Otherwise, be like me and stop giving talks and dars altogether (unless it is on something you’re qualified to speak on) and if you still cannot understand what my position is you should consider taking ESL classes, we aren't in Dawah kindergarten anymore. wassalam.

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
bhaloo
11/12/05 at 15:28:28
[slm] Jazak Allah khairen sister Fozia.  I do agree with your assessment that Siham's posts are very confusing, especially when someone asks a question and she doesn't understand what is being asked. [quote author=Siham link=board=madrasa;num=1128655879;start=20#26 date=11/12/05 at 12:37:51]bhloo on this forum, not just this issue have taught about Islam and has disagreed and disrespected the position of many great and respected Ulama (Scholars) and asserts to misguide people DESPITE the overwhelming position of the Scholars:   [/quote] This is a complete lie.  I have related the positions of the greatest scholars the Muslim world has known, including, Sheikh ul Islam Ibn Tamiyyah, Ibn Hajjar al-Aqsalani, Ibn Khaldoon, Al-Subki, and many more.  I'm relating the opinion of scholars.  But instead of you responding to the scholars you come on here and try and attack me personally and continue with insults (which you consider to be unislamic).  If you have issues with the scholars, take it up with them. It was you that came on here and accused one of the greatest sheikhs of kufr, and there was no proofs from any of Ibn Tamiyyah's books outlining tjhis slander.  And I take offense to you insulting scholars on the board. Siham said: [quote] bhloo come down from your horse brother and go to sleep, next time you fall ill, go and see an accountant. after all, anyone with a university degree can diagnose an illness. Otherwise, be like me and stop giving talks and dars altogether (unless it is on something you’re qualified to speak on) and if you still cannot understand what my position is you should consider taking ESL classes, we aren't in Dawah kindergarten anymore. [/quote] Those are pretty creative insults Siham.  Your behavior is a reflection of your teachers and what they have taught you.  Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.  Alhumdullilah the other people on the board do not behave like this.
11/12/05 at 16:32:58
bhaloo

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
bhaloo
11/12/05 at 16:05:29
No one has insulted you, like Jannah said: [quote author=jannah link=board=madrasa;num=1128655879;start=20#22 date=11/11/05 at 09:37:04] as for insults they are not allowed on the board and i don't see anything in this thread insulting towards you.[/quote] Siham continue with your name calling and insults so others can know you for who you really are.  :)

Re: When Should a Muslim Girl Marry?
jannah
11/12/05 at 22:19:09
slm, Ok then. This seems an appropriate time to close this thread.
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