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What do you think about polygyny?
Anonymous
10/14/05 at 10:08:58
What do you think about polygyny? In America? Overseas? Are there any sisters
on here that can share their story? How did you feel when you found out about wife number
2, 3, 4? What about a man marrying a 2nd wife, even if the first wife doesn't approve and
has threatened divorce/taking away the children?
10/14/05 at 10:10:28
Anonymous
Re: What do you think about polygyny? In Thoughts
Anonymous
10/14/05 at 10:09:42
On what to do in a situation where the first wife wants to divorce and take
away children if the husband marries a second wife.
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
jannah
10/14/05 at 10:29:06
salam,

I think polygyny is a rahmaa (mercy) for humanity if done following the conditions and prescriptions of Islam. Like everything in Islam, it was legislated for a reason and wisdom.

That being said, at first I thought you might be a sister, but now I suspect you are the husband ;)  Anyhow either way, if a husband wants to marry again and the wife is threatening divorce/taking away kids -- both of you should seriously consider what is going on. Husband - is it worth it to destroy your current family? even if you are *allowed* to do it. Wife - it is the husband's right under certain conditions and also if you hadn't said/specified anything in your contract what is the objection now and is it Islamically valid?

In any case, I suggest you both set up an appointment with a marriage counselor/imam or someone you both trust to discuss this more. You can also have some people from your family and some from her family get together to discuss more as well.

Re: What do you think about polygyny?
Siham
10/14/05 at 12:31:02
[slm] Personally, I have absolutely no problem if my husband marries a second wife, as long as we don't live under the same roof  :D

On a serious note, multiple marriages for men haven't been very productive. Moreover, the stress level that it will result will actually affect the second marriage as well.

So, It is generally not advisable for men to marry more than once in their lifetime, because of the harm and wrong that its inevitably results, unless there is a genuine need for it of course.

And Allah SWT knows best.
10/17/05 at 11:53:45
Siham
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
zawjatukashif
10/14/05 at 13:10:00
[slm]

my hubby can have a second wife ... but she gotta be UGLY, LAZY and FAT :) ... ooo she can do all the work while i relax have  [] and take care of my hubby :)




why do men need second wife??? i mean aren't we enough for them? or do we get boring that easily?!?! ...  
10/14/05 at 14:47:26
jannah
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
Fozia
10/14/05 at 16:28:07
[slm]

You know a right does not mean one [i]has[/i] to excersise it.
Yes the Prophet  [saw] had multiple wives. However, in the prime of his life, his youth, he was only married to one woman, whom by all accounts he loved dearly and treated with a great deal of respect (hey he went straight  to her for comfort after the first revelation from Allah and meeting with Jibrael (as)).
His [saw] subsequent marriages were undertaken to further the cause of Islam.

Dunno, I think you should examine why you want a second marriage. [*]Because you can?? [*]Because you want someone fun and free ::) Dude we all age, so will wives numbers 2,3 and 4. [*]Because number two is toothless and old, and has no chance of support or comfort from anyone but you....a very noble gesture to marry the sister indeed???

Is a second marriage worth breaking up your existing one, is it worth breaking the heart of your current wife, remember she is a muslimah, and hurting another muslim is not up there on the ways to enter into heaven list...??

Although many women agree theoretically, I don't know of any woman who has happily accepted a co-wife, there was rivalry even amongst the prophet[saw]'s companions.

I have a friend who married an arab, his father had married twice. Before marrying my friend her fiance told her he would not inflict another wife on her. Not because my friend said anything about it, but because of his experience of being a child within a plural marriage.


Think long, think hard, and then buy some goldfish say I. They are a lot easier to take care of. No second mortgage for start.


The sweetest thing I ever read, was about the love the Beloved Prophet[saw] had for his first wife. Even long after her, her relatives were always welcome in the home of the prophet [saw], he always sent them something from gifts he received. The year she passed away, was called the year of sorrow......


Have happy life

Wassalaam
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
abdullahcohn
10/15/05 at 08:03:29
I think monogamy can be a real bad thing. Because of it there is almost no population growth in Bosnia. Too many Muslim Men are dead so loads of Muslim women have to remain single(or worse).
Not only do I think polygyny should be revived in Jihad zones, but I think the rules of the Right Hand should be revived to help Kaffar women who are left without support in the lands of Jihad.

Re: What do you think about polygyny?
jannah
10/15/05 at 11:47:16
Umm unless we have a khalifah that shouldn't even be attempted because those are rules and conditions that can only go through them.
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
Caraj
10/16/05 at 22:13:56
hmmmm, ok here goes.

1) I do not think it is right for anyone male or female to threaten or
give ultimatums  unless it is something very dangerous and
of a real threat to someones safety, health, etc.
Like if a spouse was drinking, taking drugs and such.

2) I think it is a wonderful thing if a brother marries a woman that is not what most men would consider "Prime"
as her prime qualities may not be in her looks, age or ability to have children or already having children.

3) I thing a man should talk to wife #1 and get her input.
If she is so upset y it then why do it and risk hurting the marriage one is already in.
These are just my opinions.

Jealousy although immature at times exists.

And if you're a brother consider many things.
If you are having marital issues now, it is not a good time to
marry another wife. This will make your already wife feel like she is being replaced.
Then even though it is your 'right' with rights comes responsabilities.
Can you afford another wife?
Not only financially, but time and affection and all other ways?
Yes you have rights but you also have to answer to Allah for accepting the rights and being asked if you fullfilled your responsabilities to enjoy such rights.
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
bhaloo
10/17/05 at 00:17:42
[slm]

Good points Azizah!

[quote]
What do you think about polygyny? In America?
[/quote]

That's an interesting question, the America part.  First of all polygamy is illegal in the U.S., so I don't see how someone could practice it in the U.S.  
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
abdullahcohn
10/17/05 at 06:14:35
Same way they practice it everywhere else. The kaffer's law only considers marriages registered in the registry offices of kufr. So you just don't register.
Easy.
or you only register the first one.
Adultery is not illigle in any nation that bans polygyny so as far as the law is concerned, thats what you are doing.

I know loads of people with more than one wife. only one of them had a visit from kaffar policemen. And that was only because his friend informed on him after an argument.
all that happened was the kaffar asked him if he has 3 wives and he said that he only has one wife and the other two are his girl friends. And their was nothing the kaffar could do about it.
As I said, none of these countries ban adultery.
10/17/05 at 06:17:53
abdullahcohn
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
Kathy
10/17/05 at 06:26:31
[quote author=abdullahcohn link=board=sis;num=1129295338;start=10#10 date=10/17/05 at 06:14:35]\Adultery is not illigle in any nation that bans polygyny so as far as the law is concerned, thats what you are doing.[/quote]

In US,  lots of states still consider adultery illegel. Most are misdomeanors. Google it and you will come up with alot of interesting articles.
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
Fozia
10/17/05 at 08:24:51
[slm]


I was so sure that some state in the US allowed polygamy...ummm because I could almost swear I read of these blokes who had loads and I mean loads of wives, forget which sect they were from definitely not Muslim. But anyways.

So. Br AbdullahCohn. You think that treating ones second and third wives as mistresses, in the eyes of the law, be it of the non believers or not. Is treating wives equally?? Hmmm

Out of interest how many wives do you actually have Br.???


I know a man who was married and took a second wife, after many years of marriage the second marriage broke down. Although the marriage was in the UK, and therefore the second wife was not legally recognised as such. The man has left behind an ex-wife and a disaffected son by the second marriage.....He's moved pretty far away, and if his son goes down the wrong road, I would lay the blame pretty firmly at his fathers door.

IMHO, plural marriages do not work if subsequent wives are not legally recognised.....


Wassalaam
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
jannah
10/17/05 at 09:01:08
slm,

As Muslims you are required to follow the law of the land you live in as long as it does not prevent you from ibadah or practising islam. Most scholars that have been asked say since having more than one wife is not required and since it is illegal, you should refrain in these countries.

Secondly, in my opinion any woman considering entering into a polgynous marriage in the U.S. or any other country where it is illegal should not. You and your children will not receive any rights by the courts in the U.S. and sometimes this is used as a weapon against you as well, so think twice. Also, since it is illegal I don't know how much the Muslim community could possible help you.


Re: What do you think about polygyny?
bhaloo
10/17/05 at 09:33:55
[slm]

[quote author=Fozia link=board=sis;num=1129295338;start=10#12 date=10/17/05 at 08:24:51]
I was so sure that some state in the US allowed polygamy...ummm because I could almost swear I read of these blokes who had loads and I mean loads of wives, forget which sect they were from definitely not Muslim. But anyways.
[/quote]

I think you are referring to Mormons in Utah, who have multiple wives.  It's still illegal in that state, but I don't know how they get around it.  Last night at iftar this brother mentioned to me he was thinking of moving to Utah because alcohol is banned there, pornography is banned there, partying is banned there.  The only downside he said was that there were no Muslim population there.

[quote]
So. Br AbdullahCohn. You think that treating ones second and third wives as mistresses, in the eyes of the law, be it of the non believers or not. Is treating wives equally?? Hmmm
[/quote]

I agree sister Fozia.  The only way someone could do that is if they had a wife and some "girlfriends", but that is not giving all the wives equal rights.
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
Siham
10/17/05 at 10:05:11
[slm] I think It’s only natural for women to have some sorta of jealousy for their spouses, so indeed it a natural state. As long as it is not expressed in an extreme way etc. (not to mention how oppressing men get when they express their jealousy)

Furthermore, I’ll certainly would not believe that men of today, despite their piety or intentions only marrying another woman for the betterment of their religious practices, or to bring them closer to their Lord. That just doesn’t sit right.

Lastly, many people have this misconceptions about polygyny, so please note: that polygyny is not the rule in Islam, but rather it is an exception to the rule.

wassalaam.
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
Caraj
10/17/05 at 20:36:52

10/17/05 at 20:53:22
Caraj
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
abdullahcohn
10/18/05 at 07:39:25
No one can make harram what Allah made Hallal.
The Polygamy laws that that Kaffar have made go against our religion as well as their own.
Allah made the whole world and we can live anywhere we want as long as we obey Allah's laws.
What they call their nation is not theirs, it belongs to Allah, and Allah's laws are above their laws.
We should liberate their nations and free them so people their will be able to take four wives in peace.
We should Free Them from evil man made laws.
And replace their evil Freedom and Democracy with Khilafah and Shariya.


If you don't like calling the subsequent wives, girl friends, call them all girl friends!

I think men really need to start practicing polygamy in the west. Much more women convert to Islam than men. If you are telling them not to marry married men, what are you telling them?
Marry Kaffar men?
Become lesbians?
Become Islamic Nuns?

4 women become Muslim in the UK for every man. So for 3/4 of all women who convert, monogamy with a Male Muslim is not an option. if you disagree with polygamy in Kaffar nations, which of the the three things I have listed above do you agree with?

Polygamy is the Sunnah. Every Sunnah that dies is replaced by a Bidah.
Ever since polygamy started dying out, it has been replaced by Muslim women being forced to marry Kaffar men due to the lack of Muslim males. Lesbianism and women living their whole lives without getting married due to not being able to find a unmarried male.

10/18/05 at 07:41:46
abdullahcohn
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
jannah
10/18/05 at 12:24:20
slm,

abdullah that sounds like a lot of rhetoric.  first of all not marrying more than once is not "making something haram that is halal" it is a choice that people make. within all things halal, not choosing something doesn't make it haram. just like some people like to eat vegetarian, this is a choice they make they don't think its haram to eat meat, they just don't choose it within their range of halal. this does not mean they are making something haram that is halal!

so the whole Allah's laws above man-made laws slogan/etc are words that don't apply.

all your 3 little statements are illogical in the extreme. it would be a pity to waste time and resources responding to them.

please don't try to take your opinionated views and try to make out that they are in any way islamic.

Re: What do you think about polygyny?
Kathy
10/19/05 at 09:39:43
[slm]
[quote]all your 3 little statements are illogical in the extreme. it would be a pity to waste time and resources responding to them. [/quote]

I am just glad he posted them... now the rest of his posts can be taken with the same grain of sand.

I had a man in the library the other day that talked just like this. Double talk, Ronald Regan talk, Stupid talk.... He seemed to be well versed in Qur'an and Hadith... but the way he used it was so pitiful. Reminds me of the saying "those with a little knowledge are more dangerous than those with no knowledge."
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
Fozia
10/19/05 at 10:27:50
[slm]


You know Islam, gave women Status and respect they deserved in society, we were given rights and our roles were shown to be of equal merit to those of men.

With those three little lines of absolute drivel, you may have completely made up a non believers mind, that Islam has done the opposite, that the women are kept oppressed.....


As for exercising rights, well let’s see. I could spend every single penny I have on bits of frivolity for myself, because Islam allows that I as a woman may spend my own money as I so wish. My husband on the other could continue working like a dog to make ends meet. However I do not do this, because I love and respect him, and his [i]feelings[/i] matter to me funnily enough.
I could refuse to live with and take care of his parents, because I have a right to separate accommodation and I am not a domestic servant. However it pleases me to take care of his parents in their old age, because they bought up my husband, with such love as a child, they nurtured and educated him, and I as his wife feel, if it is within my ability to make them happy, I will. This makes my husbands life easier and pleases him too. However I could make life difficult for everyone should I so choose. I don't..... Sometimes exercising a little common sense goes a long way.

Statistically (I should imagine), the Muslim woman makes up half of the Ummah.... you appear to have a breathtaking disregard for this half of the Ummah...Think about it.


[quote author=abdullahcohn link=board=sis;num=1129295338;start=10#17 date=10/18/05 at 07:39:25]


If you don't like calling the subsequent wives, girl friends, call them all girl friends!

[/quote]

I don't think so, the word girlfriend, mistress whatever, is for me a derogatory term, intimating that the holder of the title, is there on a temporary basis, to satisfy short term requirements.....  I like and deserve the title of wife. Please note, you cannot go to Umrah or Hajj with your boyfriend, as  a boyfriend does not fulfill the mahram requirements....
I must say should my husband ever answer a query with 'she's not my wife she's my girlfriend', I would take it as a pronouncement of divorce to be perfectly honest.


[quote author=abdullahcohn link=board=sis;num=1129295338;start=10#17 date=10/18/05 at 07:39:25]

I think men really need to start practicing polygamy in the west. Much more women convert to Islam than men. If you are telling them not to marry married men, what are you telling them?
Marry Kaffar men?
Become lesbians?
Become Islamic Nuns?


[/quote]

As unbelievable as it may be to you, it is perfectly possible for a woman to survive unmarried without resorting to the first two of your little list.
What if a woman loved her husband so much that after his death she did not wish to marry another man in the hopes she could be with her first husband in Jannah....?? Personally I wouldn't give her the latter title either.


Yes Plygamy is allowed in Islam, yes it can work, yes it should be excersised when the need arises.

However, it's all this well it's a right and I can do as I please, and sod my wife's broken heart... I have a problem swallowing.
To the Original poster. Consider your wifes feelings, because then she in turn will consider yours, you have children with the first wife, how do you think they will feel to see their mother go through such pain because their father has a blatant disregard for their mothers feelings.
Are you in a war torn country where there are few men?? If so go ahead, are you in the US? If so restrain from remarrying, you won't be giving equal status to any pural wives, as they will not be recognised by the law.
Do you really want to face your creator and answer to him as to why you abused his laws to satisfy your whims?? Completely up to you.



Wassalaam
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
jannah
10/21/05 at 01:41:31
slm,

someone thought my comments were harsh so i apologize if they came out like that. i forgot the cardinal rule of the board [i] never post in anger [/i]. but just as an FYI nothing i write on this board should be taken personally or meant in a personal manner, they are never directed at a single person, just on thoughts and ideas and their islamicity.
10/21/05 at 01:42:02
jannah
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
Kathy
10/21/05 at 09:08:36
[slm]

Join the crowd. I got the same concern from a brother. He thought my remarks to abdullahcohn were hurtful and insulting, a personal attack.

Allahu allum, I did not post in anger or as a personal attack.  I apologize if it was taken this way.

However, if still object to his view pont and theroy.
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
Siham
10/21/05 at 09:33:47
Marrying a second wife?
Answered by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

I asked whether the husband can marry without the first wife's permission, according to the hanafi fiqh, the males I know tend to think they can but I am not so sure any more... I didn't think they could but if they feel they can provide for the two does it make it ok for them to still go ahead without the first wife's permission?

Walaikum assalam wa rahmatullah,

The fatwa of major Arab and Indo-Pak scholars is that it is generally wrong and unwise in our times to marry a second wife, without consulting wise and knowledgeable scholars (even though it is in itself permitted), because of the harm and mess that inevitably results:

a) the harm to the first wife;

b) the troubles with the second wife when the first is upset;

c) the harm of not giving both their legal, emotional, and material rights;

d) the harm to family relations;

e) and, also vitally, the harm to one’s children…

Marrying another woman is not just a question of providing for both…

Faraz Rabbani

Wassalam.
10/21/05 at 09:34:42
Siham
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
timbuktu
10/21/05 at 09:41:59
[slm]

[quote]Muslim women being forced to marry Kaffar men due to the lack of Muslim males.[/quote]

I would add: lack of suitable Muslim males.

It is a very valid point. While some women (and men) can live perfectly satisfactory lives, celibacy isn't liked in Islam. In fact the prophet (saw) did say that marriage is his sunnah, and marriage is half of deen.

So, the brother's choice of words isn't exectly endearing, but he has pointed out a real problem, and its sunnah solution. I guess Muslim  men should do the proper sunnah, and marry women who are indeed past their "prime", and Muslim wives should be more open-hearted and not look upon a co-wife as a perpetual enemy.
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
jannah
10/21/05 at 10:05:02
slm,

the problem is in the statement... no one is "forced" to marry a non-muslim because they cannot find a suitable muslim mate (for either male or female).  everyone has a choice on whether they want to commit a haram act or not.  

no doubt its a problem to find one but that doesn't mean a person has no choice but to go out and do that.
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
Caraj
10/21/05 at 14:47:13
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
Caraj
10/21/05 at 14:54:15
[quote author=abdullahcohn link=board=sis;num=1129295338;start=10#17 date=10/18/05 at 07:39:25]
I think men really need to start practicing polygamy in the west. Much more women convert to Islam than men. If you are telling them not to marry married men, what are you telling them?
Marry Kaffar men?
Become lesbians?
Become Islamic Nuns?
[/quote]

No offense but that kind of thinking is what gives Islam a bad name. This type of thinking is what makes non Muslims fear Islam you are saying disregard the laws of the land and force your beliefs on others and the communities who have these laws???
NOT COOL

What are we teaching women? Not to commit haram but to be patient and trust in Allah. Brother please consider how you sound before you post.
Many Non Muslims visit this site and I would hate for them to think Muslims want to force their ways on the other countires.
Allah does say to obey the laws of the land. Don't like the laws?
Vote to change them or go somewhere you can live as you wish.
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
abdullahcohn
10/22/05 at 05:38:07
Jannah marrying one instead of many is not making harram what it hallal. But a human, or a bunch of humans making it illegal, is making Harram what Allah made Hallal.
The Christian clergy have done this. The bible never forbade it. The Prophets within the bible clearly had more then one wife. But the dirty Romans who ruled Europe practiced Monogamy while practicing adultery and fornication. When Christianity entered Europe, the Christian clergy forbade Christians from marrying more than one to be like the pagans.
(They take their priests and rabbis as lords above Allah)
Now Islam has entered the west, some of us want to follow the people who have one wife and nine mistresses?
(Do we take our Muftis and Representatives as lords above Allah?)

It is a choice if we marry one, none or three. That’s the point, it’s a choice Allah gave us, and not some thing Blair or Bush has the right to take away from us.
At this time, when there are many Muslim Women in West Africa who are forced to marry Kaffar men due to not being able to find Muslim Husbands: I think Polygamy is the better choice.
The same goes for Sindh, where Many Muslim Women have turned to Lesbianism due to not being able to get married.
Or the rest of the world where many Muslim Women have to live as Nuns, especially those who are divorced, widowed, converted or past their prime due to education.

Kathy, A little knowledge is a little dangerous; a lot of knowledge is very dangerous.
That’s why the best ulimah are in jail or the graveyard.

Fozi
I don’t see what I wrote as being derogatory to women in anyway. A white faced European Christian might think it is, but that is only due to his idol worshiping monogamous roman past.
Most of the world are not white faced Christians. Asian, Africans, Native Australians and Native Americans all Practice polygamy. Do you think they will find what I wrote derogatory to women? Do you think they will find polygamy strange or monogamy strange?
European Culture is not universal culture, these days people find this very hard to understand.
Muslim women may make up half the Ummah. The fact is in a lot of places they make up much more. So it is you who are disregarding Muslim women, not me. The first wife may or may not be happy with the subsequent marriages. But the subsequent wives definitely are, otherwise they would not have got married!
Think about that!
Women may not want to get married after the death of their husband, but a lot of women do. If men are to cowardly of their first wives and what westernised feminists who are influenced by European pagan pre-Christian roman culture might think of them, to marry a second, third or a forth then these women will have to remain single for the remained of their lives.
Hindu widows are not allowed to remarry, they have to wear white and stay in permanent morning for the remainder of their lives. Some choose to burn them selves on the funeral pier of their husbands than live like this. Some Indian Muslims are influenced by this and think it isn’t a good thing for widows to marry again. Indian Ulima call this kind of thinking Bidah!

The Kaffar’s law might not treat second wives equally, but you we have to. The sentence has a ‘might’ in it for a reason. I know a Bangladeshi man with two wives and the council gave him two houses next to each other, so it all depends on who the law is and not what it says.
As I said before, US and UK need polygamy most! It is clear that much more women are becoming Muslim than men. So “liberal Muslims” have given Fatwas allowing Muslim women to marry Kaffar men. We don’t need new fatwas, allowing Muslim women to marry kaffar, what we need is to go back to the old law and make sure that every Muslim women who wants to be married is.

Siham
In Hanafi, Malaki and Hanbali, the Husband has to inform his first wife that he is marrying a second. If he doesn’t it is a very serious mukruh. In Shafi he doesn’t have to tell her.

Jannah {forced to marry.} Sexuality is a human instinct, just like eating.
All humans have it. If we are prevented from fulfilling it in a hallal way, our instincts will push us to do it in a harram way. That is why so many Catholic priest molest boys. And that is why dead babies are often found when Convent grounds are dug up.
Some people can restrain their instincts, others aren’t so strong.

Azizah
I think this is what gave Muslims a good name. And this is why Islam is the fastest growing religion while others a shrinking.
Other religions change them selves to fit in with the current society. While Islam changes Society to fit in with Allah’s Religion.
Muslims are not the ones forcing others to marry more than one; it is others who are forcing their belief of monogamy on us!
What are we teaching women? We are teaching them that there is a Hallal Way to fulfil their desires, so they don’t have to take the Harram root.
If a non Muslim sees this he is not going to think that A Muslim is going to force his Christian father to marry three more wives? No one has said that. It is the Non Muslim law that is trying to force Muslims to limit ourselves to one!
Allah does not tell us to obey the laws of the land. Allah will never allow the kaffar to have authority over the believers. And this disobedience of the law of the land is why Islam grows so fast!
Why?
In America a lot of the Churches Supported segregation, Muslims lead the disobedience to that law of the land and hundreds of thousands of blacks converted to Islam.
In South Africa a lot of the Churches supported obedience to the appetite government, the Musjids didn’t, Imams were executed and many thousands of blacks converted to Islam.
In Rwanda the law of the land called for the annihilation of the Tutsi. All Christian churches supported it. Priests and Nuns took part in the genocide. Muslims refused to. Muslims refused to obey the law of the land and protected Tutsi even if they were Christian. The Rwandan army surrounded the Muslim areas to intimidate the Muslims.
Muslims stood firm in disobeying the Kaffir government. This earned the Muslims of Rwanda the complete respect of everyone else. The Muslim population of Rwanda has grown from less than 4% to more than 14% in a very short time.

Voting does not change anything. If it did, they would make it illegal. And they have, many times!
They don’t allow voting to make real changes in Muslim countries, so there is no way they will allow it in their own. People who have no respect for Allah and his laws will never respects the creation off Allah, even if they put crosses on bits of paper every four years.
When Muslims in Algeria voted for Islam, the army came in, when Muslims in Turkey voted for Islam, the army came in, and the same applies to all other Muslim nations. So do you really think the army of Blair and Bush will allow an Islamic government in their own countries?
If the majority of people want Islam, they will kill the majority, so the people who remain will want something else. That’s Democracy!
The British and Americans used Military force to install Freedom, Democracy and Homosexuality in Iraq and Afghanistan. We need to establish Khilafah in our own Nations and send our armies to install Shariyah, Khilafah and Polygamy in America and Britain.
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
Siham
10/22/05 at 13:40:31
[slm] Well, maybe this is a better fatwa from Sunnipath: The question: "Is it acceptable to marry a second wife?"

[quote]In the Name of Allah, Most Merciful and Compassionate
May Allah’s peace and blessings be upon His Messenger Muhammad, his folk, companions, and followers

Generally, it is not permitted to enter into such marriage situation even if the man’s first wife seems to be consenting because the general case is that such marriages lead to harm to all involved.

One has to consider how it will affect the man’s first marriage; how it will affect his first wife; any children involved; and also how the likely stresses will affect the second marriage. The experience of scholars and counselors in dealing with such situations (again and again) is that one should avoid such marriages.

If one genuinely feels that a particular case is different, one should refer the full details of the case to a reliable scholar. [/quote]

Brother, nobody said it was an obligation to marry a second wife, just that it's permissible.  and in the case of informing one's first wife, It is generally considered to be of a proper Adab in Islam, besides in the malki madhab, it is recommended that the first wife's permission is sought. It is not a requirement per se.

The first point that I’ve raised which was unfortunately dismissed by you –- was basically whether any reason or justification is needed within oneself, to marry more than one wife. This is the core issue here, and the answer to this also explains the implicit justification that actually did exist with the Companions. It is this that needs to be resolved and understood, and perhaps acted on.

Therefore, one needs to understand the lives of the Companions, particularly in their taking more than one wife. Once that is understood -- the implicit reason, and their intentions will become clear.

So, one's sincere intention with Allah SWT. which is indeed present in all of our actions. should be in according with what is pleasing to Allah SWT  isha’Allah, otherwise the act will be of no benefit on the Day of Judgment.

Thus, one should better be on guard about what their intentions are in this regard of marrying a second wife. Because Allah SWT is All-Seeing, All-Knowing, for He is closer to you than your own veins.

wassalaam.
10/23/05 at 18:08:23
Siham
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
Fozia
10/24/05 at 07:35:28
[slm]

[quote author=abdullahcohn link=board=sis;num=1129295338;start=20#28 date=10/22/05 at 05:38:07]
Fozi
I don’t see what I wrote as being derogatory to women in anyway. A white faced European Christian might think it is, but that is only due to his idol worshiping monogamous roman past.
Most of the world are not white faced Christians. Asian, Africans, Native Australians and Native Americans all Practice polygamy. Do you think they will find what I wrote derogatory to women? Do you think they will find polygamy strange or monogamy strange?
European Culture is not universal culture, these days people find this very hard to understand.
Muslim women may make up half the Ummah. The fact is in a lot of places they make up much more. So it is you who are disregarding Muslim women, not me. The first wife may or may not be happy with the subsequent marriages. But the subsequent wives definitely are, otherwise they would not have got married!
Think about that!
Women may not want to get married after the death of their husband, but a lot of women do. If men are to cowardly of their first wives and what westernised feminists who are influenced by European pagan pre-Christian roman culture might think of them, to marry a second, third or a forth then these women will have to remain single for the remained of their lives.
Hindu widows are not allowed to remarry, they have to wear white and stay in permanent morning for the remainder of their lives. Some choose to burn them selves on the funeral pier of their husbands than live like this. Some Indian Muslims are influenced by this and think it isn’t a good thing for widows to marry again. Indian Ulima call this kind of thinking Bidah!


[/quote]


'White faced' people do not make up the entire population of unbelievers. A visit to the holy cities of Makkah and Madina will easily show you that there are a good many white faced believers.
Actually a visit to our local masjid will confirm this to you too, there are lots of new muslims who have got together to renovate our local masjid, they are putting in time and money and expertise to build our local masjid for no discernable worldly gain for themselves.

Disregarding your wife's feelings does not make you a good husband, chances are if you make one wife unhappy you will not make any subsequent wives happy either.
Paying regard to your wifes feelings, does not make one a coward, it makes one a good husband.
I've heard of marriages where men have taken second wives, and then subsequently these marriages have broken down, this has sometimes lead the wives to become disillusioned with Islam....

When Fatima (ra)'s husband Ali (ra) wished to marry a second time, it hurt Fatima (ra). The beloved prophet (saw), said 'Whoever hurts Fatima hurts me'.
Yes Hadrat Ali (ra) was considering marrying Abu Jahal's daughter (I think), however the wording of the Beloved Messenger (saw).effectively stopped Hadrat Ali(ra) taking on another wife in the lifetime of Fatima (ra)...... Think about it


A happy polygamous marriage is one where all participants [i]including[/i] all wives concerned, are at least accepting of the situation.

Considering your fellow muslims feelings is not an act of cowardice, we are meant to feel eachothers pain, the fact that the person concerned is your spouse, your companion, makes it [i]more[/i] relevant not less.
Marriages hang by a fine gossamer thread, breaking them up is so easy, making them work is the most difficult thing you will ever do.


I hope your Ramadan is going well Br. and that yours is a happy and fulfilling marriage, whether you are married now or not.


Wassalaam
10/24/05 at 07:37:41
Fozia
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
abdullahcohn
10/25/05 at 19:22:21
Siham
What you are saying assumes Monogamy is the norm, while polygamy is the exception. It assumes that the international norm was monogamy and Islam introduced polygamy for an exceptional people (the sahaba) at an exceptional time (the seventh century).
You are assuming that polygamy takes away rights from women.

I am saying the opposite.
I am saying polygamy is the natural state of human society, while Monogamous societies are abnormal and are a denial of the natural inclinations of humanity.
Islam did not allow polygamy.
It had always existed. It has existed in every country at every time. The sahaba were not a Monogamous nation before they converted to Islam. And the verse of the Quran mentioning polygamy was not revealed to allow them to practice it due to exceptional circumstances, as they had always been practicing it.
The verse of the Quran limited the number to four. So Sahaba with more than four had to pick who they liked and divorce the excess.
Polygamy liberates women. It allows women a greater choice of husband as it does not limit them to choosing from the unmarried.
Monogamy oppresses women; it results in later partners of men being relegated to mistresses and their children being labelled as bastards.
This is the state of affairs in Monogamous societies due to its denial of human nature.
What percentage of children is born without fathers in the White Christian countries?
Are these the people we want to emulate? Compare that with the number of children born without fathers in polygamous societies? Then tell me who should be copying who?

Siham it was not ethical of you to quote that passage without quoting what Question it was answer to. It was an answer to a lady asking whether she should get married to a married Muslim she met. Secondly, that site you quoted from is full of pro polygamy articles. Thirdly the answer is the personal opinion of the writer, not a fatwa, not an Ahkam and most importantly, not an Islamic text!
You are right, no one says it is compulsory, but remember, Allah says it is allowed, so no Human should say it is forbidden.

Fozia, I wasn’t saying whites are all Kaffar. What I was saying is that it is only the culture of the White Christians that forbid it. I couldn’t say Christians, because that would not be true because Christianity allows it and Christians in all non white societies practice it. Most African Christians I have asked have told me their fathers have multiple wives. A lot more than four, as the bible does not restrict the number.
Monogamy is a cultural thing for white Christians, not a religious thing.

If the wife is unhappy with it, it is only because her emotions have been infiltrated with the culture of the white idol worshiping Romans. She needs to replace these concepts with Islamic ones.
The only true cases of Muslim women converting to other religions I have seen or heard of have been due to marrying Christian Men. If their aren’t enough Muslim men this will happen. Polygamy is the solution to this. Even for ladies who don’t want to get in to a polygamous marriage because if other women do, their will be more unmarried men left.
The Hadith you quoted is often quoted by Christian Missionaries to attack our prophet and discredit our religion. They called our Prophet a hypocrite, and accused him of giving one ruling for himself and others when it came to polygamy but another for the husband of his daughter.
This is an example of the Cross worshipers lying to defend their false beliefs by attacking the true beliefs of others.
Their lies and the true meaning of the hadith will become clear if you look at the whole hadith instead of a small part of it.

['Ali said,] "When 'Ali ibn Abi Talib proposed to the daughter of Abu Jahl while he was married to Fatima, peace be upon her, I heard the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, addressing the people about that on this minbar of his and on that day I had reached puberty. He said, 'Fatima is from me and I fear that she will be tested in her deen.' Then he mentioned an in-law of his from the Banu 'Abdu Shams and praised him as an in-law, and said, 'He spoke to me and told the truth. He promised me and kept his promise. I do not make the lawful unlawful and I do not make the unlawful lawful but, by Allah, the daughter of the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and the daughter of the enemy of Allah will not be joined together.'"

The part that is often missing from Missionary and ‘liberal Muslim’ quotes is “the daughter of the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, and the daughter of the enemy of Allah will not be joined together” for obvious reasons.

Some ‘Moderate Muslims’ including ‘Moderate Ulimah’ really need to take a good look at the previous line:” I do not make the lawful unlawful and I do not make the unlawful lawful but, by Allah”. If the prophet of Allah doesn’t no one else should.

“Considering your fellow muslims feelings is not an act of cowardice, we are meant to feel eachothers pain, the fact that the person concerned is your spouse, your companion, makes it more relevant not less.”  

I agree with what you said and think that others should as well. And consider the feelings of Muslim women with no Husbands. In their youth they have no companionship and when they grow old they will have no children to look after them.
Put yourselves in their shoes.  And then relies why so many Muslim women are willing to go to hell when they die by converting to marry Kaffar men.
Also consider the feelings of women who love a man, who loves her back, but are kept as mistresses and there Children as Bastards due to him being to cowardly to take her as a second wife. Think of her and her children. If he divorces his first wife to marry his mistress, think of his first wife and her children?
This is what monogamy means in the real world.
Second wives are not second class. Thoughts and consideration should not be limited to the first partner.
A single woman propositioning married men is wrong, but in the real world it happens. Should she be a mistress or a second wife? And what have her kids got fewer rights than the kids of the married partner?
Allah made polygamy because it works in the real world and it is needed by real people. The Romans made Monogamy it would only work in a fairy tail world full of imaginary people. The fact is the roman man had one wife, but would use prostitutes to satisfy himself and so would his wife. They were Monogamous but extremely promiscuous. Very similar to the White Christians of dominate this day and age.
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
onemuslimgirl
10/25/05 at 22:21:41
the reason there are not enough Muslim men br. abdullah cohn is because the Muslim guys are going out and marrying non-Muslim girls with their blond hair and blue eyes and justifying it by saying that they want the sawab in helping these girls to learn about Islam and they want the ajr for converting them.
yaa right............
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
Siham
10/25/05 at 23:14:06
[quote author=abdullahcohn link=board=sis;num=1129295338;start=30#31 date=10/25/05 at 19:22:21]Siham
What you are saying assumes Monogamy is the norm, while polygamy is the exception. It assumes that the international norm was monogamy and Islam introduced polygamy for an exceptional people (the sahaba) at an exceptional time (the seventh century).
You are assuming that polygamy takes away rights from women.[/quote]

[slm] First and foremost bro, please don’t put words into my mouth....I never said that “Islam introduced polygamy for an exceptional people (the sahaba) at an exceptional time (the seventh century) nor that polygamy takes away rights from women.

On the contrary, I’ve said polygamy is the exception and not the norm in Islam; in terms of giving women their due rights and that most Muslim men are NOT married to more than one woman, in that sense it’s the EXCEPTION and not the norm.

Well, the fact still remains that there is no action without intention and the Companions ALWAYS had a reason to do what they did, which was sanctioned by Islam, so don’t compare the Companions with the men of this present time.

[quote author=abdullahcohn link=board=sis;num=1129295338;start=30#31 date=10/25/05 at 19:22:21]Also consider the feelings of women who love a man, who loves her back, but are kept as mistresses and there Children as Bastards due to him being to cowardly to take her as a second wife. Think of her and her children. If he divorces his first wife to marry his mistress, think of his first wife and her children?
This is what monogamy means in the real world.
Second wives are not second class. Thoughts and consideration should not be limited to the first partner.A single woman propositioning married men is wrong, but in the real world it happens. Should she be a mistress or a second wife? And what have her kids got fewer rights than the kids of the married partner?
Allah made polygamy because it works in the real world and it is needed by real people. [/quote]

Furthermore, If you are so keen to address the pleasure aspect of the matter, which was according to you that such men are merely "cowards" –- allow me to rephrase that for ya, it is not that they are cowards, because they certainly don’t fear ANYONE  by having all these illegal affairs with these women, but they are simply put CHEAP with all that it entails.

Because with pleasure comes responsibility, and men of integrity handle things way differently, for this solid reason -- the “cowards” are not willing to commit to their girlfriends, mistresses etc., ( i.e. easy come = easy go ) therefore they are deluded and they do not wish to marry nor practice polygamy.

Insha’Allah I hope that people remember the words of the our beloved Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) and guard themselves against evil (lower desires) and of the traps and tricks of the Shaytaan.

Because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: "I am not leaving behind me any fitnah that is more harmful to men than women." Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5096; Muslim, 2740.

And he (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) also said: "This world is fresh and sweet, and Allah SWT has appointed you over it, so see how you will do. Fear this world and fear women, for the first fitnah faced by the Children of Israel had to do with women." Narrated by Muslim, 2742.

In conclusion, please lets not also forget that the financial considerations are already an insurmountable barrier for many (young) men who wish to marry one wife, let alone two.

So, dear brother welcome to reality and say bye bye to your little la la land.

wassalaams.
10/26/05 at 00:57:12
Siham
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
timbuktu
10/26/05 at 07:28:43
[slm]

[quote]everyone has a choice on whether they want to commit a haram act or not.  

no doubt its a problem to find one but that doesn't mean a person has no choice but to go out and do that.[/quote]

True, a choice, but it is heavily loaded in favor of haraam, when there are too many of the same gender, and the society, media, peers etc. push you.

I think I am just lucky that I managed not to fall to haram acts of the sexual kind. Could easily have done, hence I do understand those who fall in the trap.
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
lucid9
10/26/05 at 07:35:00
[slm]

Why do I always get the feeling that Mr. AbdullahCohn is testing muslims sense of decency.  He seems to always be saying outrageous things either to provoke muslims or illicit an extreme response?

From all that I read he would be happy if somebody came out and openly said

(1) muslim women suck and are irrelevent.  you should go and enslave your local non-muslim girl next door and make zillions of babies with her
(2) you should protest against injustices to muslims in muslim countries by taking action -- like blowing stuff up.

I suppose to him that would be proper Islamic behaviour, and he would like to find muslims that behave like that. However, it seems to me a lot folks in the CIA and MI6/MI5 would also like to find muslims who behave like that.  So you have to wonder........

By the way...I think the prophet never allowed his son in laws to practise polygamy.  So that has to make you wonder how much polygamy really is part of the sunnah, how much of it is a necessary evil in turbulent times, and how much it really is supported by islam...

[slm]  
10/26/05 at 07:57:26
lucid9
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
Kathy
10/26/05 at 09:43:52
[quote author=hyper link=board=sis;num=1129295338;start=30#35 date=10/26/05 at 07:35:00] [slm]

Why do I always get the feeling that Mr. AbdullahCohn is testing muslims sense of decency.  He seems to always be saying outrageous things either to provoke muslims or illicit an extreme response?
 [/quote]

[wlm]
Me too. I don't believe he feels Muslim women suck, the way he writes tho, has made him suspect in my book too. He makes alot of convincing remarks, but some of his conclusions seem off the mark.  

Many of his posts, I am glad to read because he gives a different view point than the politically correct one, which makes him valuable as a poster.  However his demeaning adjectives of the Americans leaves much to be desired.


Re: What do you think about polygyny?
Amelia
10/26/05 at 16:39:17
The situation in Indonesia, and possibly in Pakistan, following the widescale tragedies, has produced a demographic relevant here.

The population is now unbalanced due to the number of women and children who died. What is an Islamic approach to the large male:female ratio?
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
Fozia
10/27/05 at 07:58:38
[slm]


My replies to this thread, pertain only to the original posters question. My contribution to this thread has no pertenance whatsoever to the grand scale of things.

I am saying in this situation that Br Anon has found himself, he is better advised to forgoe the second marriage.
Because his entering into a second marriage will lead to the break down of his first marriage, he has children, and they will be the ones who will lose out the most in this situation. In the end the Br. will be exchanging one wife for another, and I'm of the better the devil you know school of thought.

The Prophet (saw)'s marriages cannot be described as hypocritical.
One has to remember, that polygamy is largely a cultural phenomenon. It was widely practiced in Saudi Arabia before Islam, Islam actually put a cap on the number of wives a man was allowed, as previously the number could have been as many as one wished.

The beloved Prophet (saw), had nine wives at one time (if I remember correctly), but men are only allowed four, that is peculiar to the Prophet (saw).
I remembered reading, about His (saw), marriage to Sauda (ra), He (saw), was engaged to be married to Aisha (ra) at the time. Once Aisha (ra) came of age to be married, the beloved Prophet (saw), expressed a wish to be parted from Sauda (ra) who asked him not to part from her, and offered to forgoe her turn in favour of Aisha (ra)......

All subsequent marriages of the beloved Prophet (saw), were to promote and strengthen ties to Islam. The marriages to both Aisha (ra) and Hafsa(ra), strengthened the ties of friendship into those bound by blood (very important).
His (saw) marriage to Zainab bint Jash clarified the Islamic position on adoption as previously an adopted son was treated equal to a blood related child.
His marriage to Juwairiya (ra) was endorsed by his followers as she was a princess and it would have been insulting for her to be a slave, her marriage pre-empted the release of her tribe.
Maria was a gift from a king (to turn down a gift would have hurt fragile egos).
Maimoona, asked to be married to beloved Prophet (saw), and refused her dowry (this is also peculiar to the beloved messenger(saw)), women cannot be married without the bride gift, they can only offer to forgoe it after they have received it.

You have to remember the words of Surah nisaa;
'But if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or that which your right hands possess. That will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.. '

And if one resides in England or america or any country which refuses to recognise any but the first wife, then it's better to adhere to the rules of the land in which you reside. Or obviously emigrate to somewhere which allows polygamy.
I dunno about the States, but in England, a man who isn't married to the woman with whom he has a child, cannot even go and register the childs birth, he is not allowed access to the childs school records, and has no say in what medical treatment the child receives.
You do realise, that this may well mean, that should the mother die, the child could wind up in foster care, because the authoritites would not recognise the father as being the legitimate next of kin.
Many fathers find it easier to adopt their own hcild once they've got round to marrying the mother of their child.
Yes I agree the law actually promotes fathers to live it up and leave, when the responsibility gets too much.
However one is not Islamically treating plural wives and children the same, should anything happen to the father or the mothers as it happens.

I am not saying Polygamy is wrong, it's allowed. My husband is free to fill the other three positions should he so choose (he'll be facing Allah (swt) with regards his actions not me), my only clause is the other wives do not share my home (I've paid part of it so it is mine).

And there's nothing wrong with a woman refusing to have a second wife in her marriage, we are allowed to stipulate it in the marriage contract, and if it were haram to do so it wouldnt be allowed.



Wassalaam
10/27/05 at 14:32:52
Fozia
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
Kathy
10/27/05 at 11:09:12
[slm]

[quote] I am saying in this situation that Br Anon has found himself, he is better advised to forgoe the second marriage.
Because his entering into a second marriage will lead to the break down of his first marriage, he has children, and they will be the ones who will lose out the most in this situation. [/quote]

This is an unfound statement...  are you proclaiming yourself as a fortune teller?

10/27/05 at 11:10:22
Kathy
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
Fozia
10/27/05 at 14:24:54
[quote author=Kathy link=board=sis;num=1129295338;start=30#39 date=10/27/05 at 11:09:12] [slm]



This is an unfound statement...  are you proclaiming yourself as a fortune teller?

[/quote]


[slm]

Nooooo :o. I based that on this statment





[quote author=Anonymous link=board=sis;num=1129295338;start=0#0 date=10/14/05 at 10:08:58] What about a man marrying a 2nd wife, even if the first wife doesn't approve and
has threatened divorce/taking away the children?[/quote]

Actually it reminds me of my neighbour, his wife was so mad at him for whatever, that although she left him years ago, he was still not allowed to attend his daughters wedding (neighbour's non-muslim).
The aggro between the two adults is (still) spilling over into the childrens lives, and unless the case is utterly extreme, I don't know many daughters who would not want their father to attend their wedding. Especially the Christian wedding, where the dad gets to walk his daughter down the aisle.

Does anyone remember the Sr, who posted here, a long while back, she'd left her husband for taking another wife, for various reason's she could no longer bear the situation.... She'd taken the children with her...She'd taken them from the country in which her (ex)husband was resident.

IMHO, children do come off badly, if the marriage ends in acrimony.....

And Allah knows best.


Wassalaam
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
abdullahcohn
11/07/05 at 10:29:09
Onemuslimgirl
If some Muslim guys are marrying Christians/Jews, some Muslim ladies would be left without Muslim Husbands unless there are some other Muslim Guys willing to take more than one. Your point is another reason why polygyny should be revived.
Off the topic:
Muslim men have every right to marry Christians/Jews as long as they can guaranty that their children would be brought up as Muslims. I sneer at their excuses too with a “ya right” but I do admit, they need no excuses as the Quran clearly gives them the right. But I do know many instances where the women in such marriages have become very good Muslims.
Off the topic again:
Men (And women for that matter) Have every right to look for blonds with blue eyes if that takes their fancy. As long as it is done Islamicly, there is no problems with it. A lot of Brothers from the West and the Gulf go off to Syria to get married for this reason. Syrians are often very Islamic, so the excuse they use is “I want to give the girl the sawab of making me a good Muslim”.
Men might like attractiveness but Girls like cars and money.

Siham (Financial). A large number of Muslims in the UK earn £10 000 or less; they are able to maintain a family. A lot of others have a starting salary of £ 20 000 give or take, such as firemen, policemen and teachers, so they should be able to maintain two families from the very beginning. The average salary of a thirty year old in the UK is 34 000, so they should easily be able to maintain three families.
It is very rare for some one to marry fore wives in one go. What usually happens is a man marries one wife, and takes an additional one a decade or two later, when his income is larger and his old wife is uglier, older, weaker or can’t have kids any more.
I got this friend whose Grandfather took a second wife when he was in his 60s and had his youngest child when he was in his 90’s.
I see this as the strength of Islam and the weakness of western paganism, because:
In the Hypocritical west, when a couple grows old, the man visits his younger girl friends while his wife rots at home, while Muslim men are married to them both and treat both of them including both sets of offspring the same.
In the hypocritical west, men often dump their old wives and import younger, better behaved ones from an oriental country and more recently, Eastern Europe. They often have a new set of children with their new wives and forget about the children of their old marriage.

Hyper, as I said before, the prophet did not prevent his son-in-law from polygamy (that is a Christian missionary insult against our prophet pbh), he was preventing him from marrying the daughter of the enemy of Allah at a time when every one in the Arabian peninsular converted to Islam (fatul Makkah), whether they believed in it or not. Please scroll back to the complete Hadith, its meaning is clear if you look at the whole thing instead of a tiny part of it.

Ameila
I am glad some one brought that up. Polygamy is not Hallal because it benefits us (which I feel it does). It is Hallal because Allah made it Hallal. This is important.
Not just on this issue, but on all issues. Ribba, Hallal Meat, Jihad, Hijab, Niqab and anything else. Today the worlds leading nations are capitalists. So Muslims have often taken the beliefs of the atheist capitalists to be the ultimate truth. And interpret Islam from the eyes of an atheist capitalist. Capitalists have only one criterion, benefit. That is their God, their book, their prophet, their Qibla  and their ultimate destination that they strive for. Muslims do not worship benefit, we are not capitalists. Polygamy remains Hallal whether our small minds agree or disagree.
Now to your question:
If there are More Men than women, Muslim men can marry believing Christians and Jews. During Khilafah, they could buy what their right hand posses or be awarded it as their share of the Ghanima.
I believe that Khilafah will come back very soon, Inshallah. Whether Ghanima becomes available then depends on which group brings it back. Hizb ut Tahrir have said they won’t be distributing women as Ghanima, if they bring it back, but fortunately a lot of the Mujahideen groups would. So Allah hu allim, it depends on who Allah gives success to.
Re: What do you think about polygyny?
Anonymous
11/09/05 at 14:08:55
hi

i would like to know if anyone on this forum, or anyone knows of someone who is in a
polygmous maariage. i just want an insight into day to day life, the good and the bad. and
most of all how the children are affected? what their upbringing is like do they have
repsect for their father?

thanks


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