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| abdullahcohn |
| 11/24/05 at 08:27:56 |
| Students' fury at ban on hoodies and Islam veils by LAURA CLARK and STEPHANIE CONDRON, Daily Mail 08:14am 24th November 2005 What is RSS? Reader comments (13) A leading university has banned students from wearing Islamic headscarves and hooded tops in a security clampdown. Imperial College London has ruled that 'hoodies' and veils which obscure the face pose a threat in the wake of the London bombings. Guards have been ordered to challenge 'unrecognisable individuals' and remove them from campus if they refuse to expose their faces. Look here too... Skip gossip links to more articles More: Today's top news headlines Our blogs Editor's blog Showbiz Sport Travel Money Don't miss today Special: Battle of the Davids Photos: Testino's Diana show opens Comment: Losing control and credibility Have your say Should N Ireland terrorists on the run be allowed amnesty from arrest? Yes No More polls » All staff and students at the university, which has a large Muslim population, have been told they must wear photo identity cards, and security staff must be able to compare their face to the picture. But angry students are claiming the new code is an attack on their freedom. Is security a valid excuse for banning veils? Tell us using the reader comments link at the bottom of the page... The code stipulates: "Clothing that obscures an individual's face is not allowed on any of the college's campuses. "Employees and students should refrain from wearing clothing which obscures the face, such as a full or half veil, or hooded tops or scarves worn across the face." It adds that the university will 'sympathetically consider' any student's complaint that the rules conflict with their religious belief. Clamp down on extremists The code has been introduced at Imperial following an order from Education Secretary Ruth Kelly that all universities clamp down on student extremists following the July terror attacks. Muslim leaders were also asked to help 'identify and isolate' potential extremists on campuses. Earlier this year, an academic report named Imperial College as one of 31 universities which has harboured terrorists. The study, by security experts at Brunel University, claimed the institution provided a base for extreme Islamic organisations. But Sarah Khatib, deputy president of Imperial's student union, said members are unhappy with the code. "We all understand that the college wants to identify people, so we're trying to find a middle way," she said. "People have happily accepted the fact that there is increased security and they have to wear their swipe cards. "But they aren't happy about the hoodies. People like wearing them and when it's cold the hoods are necessary. They feel it is an infringement on freedom." 'Civil rights issue' Inayat Bunglawala, spokesman for the Muslim Council of Britain, said it would be unfortunate if women who wear the burka out of religious conviction were penalised. He said: "We hope the university would work out some sort of arrangement so if a student does believe part of their faith requirement is to wear one they can continue with their studies. "In today's world we understand there has to be security, but measures should not be so drastic as to prevent Muslim women taking up higher education, especially as they are being encouraged to do so." Imperial, one of the most prestigious universities in the country, is known for its maths and science degrees. On campus yesterday, environmental technology student Nanna Baldvinsdottir said: "I think it's a civil rights issue. "Even if it affects just three people, I think they have the right to go their own way, whatever their background. "Its nobody's business. It's very imperialist to tell people what they can wear." Earlier this year, a Muslim girl took her school to court after being told she could not wear traditional Islamic dress. Court of Appeal judges ruled that the school had unlawfully excluded her, denying her the right to practise her religion or provide her with an education. ___________________________________________________________________ They show contempt for Muslims by banning our dress even though the university earns about £6 000 per year from each home students and about £50 000 a year from each Foreign Muslim each and every year! They believe we are their milk cows and they are the masters. They believe if they beat us we will respond with more milk. They hate us but love our money, so treat us badly while they charge us more. So its time to take our money away from them, please forward this to the press in Muslim countries. This university has a disproportionately large number of foreign Muslim, mainly from the Gulf. And let them know why we are boycotting them! |
| 12/01/05 at 09:51:02 |
| abdullahcohn |
| Re: Imperial college London bans Hijab! on UK gove |
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| Salaagoedien |
| 11/29/05 at 05:37:27 |
We as the Muslim Ummah have to beg the question... Why are we as Muslim's subjected to this onslaught against the Deen -ul-Islam? Well to be honest... My opinion is that we as Muslims are complacent to this onslaught against Islam. Our leadership / Imaamat has fell amazingly silent. We as Muslims should let our voices be heard... and say... ENOUGH IS ENOUGH we have harmed your religions... WHY ISLAM... Is it because Islam stands for TRUTH AND JUSTICE for all mankind and sheds light on evils of the western idiologies. ;-) |
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| timbuktu |
| 11/29/05 at 11:14:49 |
| [slm] My first reaction was also "oh no, islamophobia creeping in again". On reading though, it seems the Universities and Colleges are facing problems of theft of laptops etc. They think their CCTV should be able to monitor and record everyone in a closed space, so that if a theft takes place, they can identify the culprit. And the ban is on covering the face in such a way that obscures identification. Perhaps we Muslims can live with that. The College Adminstartion has said they will honur the religious code. |
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| abdullahcohn |
| 11/29/05 at 23:32:26 |
| Not if you believe Niqabis farrad. Muslims who believe Niqab isn't Farrad and male Muslims can live with that. A Muslim woman who believes Niqab is Farrad, who has paid £50 000 A year to study there can not live with that. And if that was the reason. How many laptops were stolen by niqabis? Only say "We Muslims”, when you are talking about yourself. That sounds like a Politician when he says “We will fight to the death”, when what he means by we are the lives of other peoples sons. Imagine yourself as a medical student, you paid more than £50 000 a year on fees alone. Just before your end year you are told you can’t go in by the security. So if “we” can take this, you are “we” and I am definitely not “we”. Every one gets upset when the French and Turkish ban Hijab, because you all believe Hijab is farad. People shout freedom of dress! Freedom of religion! but when Niqab is banned, all these freedom slogans Muslims like using are forgotten. That’s never a case of “Freedom of dress and religion”. Some Muslims have more love for Mini skirts than Niqabs. I am not accusing anyone, I just get this impression. When a sister wears a Mini Skirt or a Bakini, every one wants to give her dawa, nicely. They regard her as a Muslim sister who will one day be ready for Hijab. It’s the heart that counts more then the clothes, etc. But the minute she puts on a Niqab, all that is forgotten and every one shoots Biddah even though the Prophets wives wore it. How can we dream of the Kaffars respecting our religion and our right to follow it when Muslims justify each and every ban the Kaffar impose on us? We should trust our Sisters more than we trust the Kaffar who lie about them! |
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| abdullahcohn |
| 12/01/05 at 09:48:02 |
| To the people who think I am wrong about their racism and hatrid of Islam. The report that tells Imperial to ban the Hijab also says: "black and minority students should be restricted to 8% of the university population". This is by: Professor Glees of Brunel University His Report attacked over forty universities. So it is clear what they are after. And Muslim's should not be the only ones that are worried! |
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| timbuktu |
| 12/01/05 at 13:06:47 |
| [slm] brother Abdullah Have you lived in any Muslim country lately? Why is it that all our energies are concentrated on the veil? In the lands of the Muslims, there is corruption, bribery, intolerance, attack on places of worship, blatant extravagance right next to grinding poverty and hunger, yet when we have something to say, it is invariably on keeping the women veiled. Sure, the covering (& I agree with you that the for women it is the veil) is an order, but then it is also an order to avoid interest and alcohol. Have you seen how many Muslims are involved in this? The kuffar have a system, which for centuries has given them control over the world's resources, and dominance over the people of the world. What is our system? We keep telling others that they are kafir, including those who do profess the kalima, who do say their prayers five times a day, who do read the same Quran as us. True, we think they are misguided, but we find reasons to exclude others from Islam, not to include it. Whereas, what the prophet was told to sya to the Christians and the Jews? Wasn't it something like: "Come, let us join hands on what is common between us: One God!". Brother, I agree that the Kuffar see islamic system as a threat, but where do we have the Islamic system? We have to develop it. Niqaab is farad, but where security is concerned, it can be removed. Not an excuse to go around with face exposed all the time, but where necessary for identification, it can be taken off. As for the limit on Blacks and the like, please give the link to that article. |
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