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abdullahcohn
11/25/05 at 18:12:07
Arab-Owned Liquor Stores Attacked In Oakland

Bill Schechner
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(CBS 5) OAKLAND Security tapes from the San Pablo Liquor Market on 23rd and San Pablo Ave. in Oakland show 11 men dressed in the manner of members of the Nation of Islam walking into the market at about 11:30 Wednesday night.

After confronting the clerk behind the counter they push him aside, topple some groceries, open the wine, soda and alcohol coolers and throw the goods on the floor. Working in the store at the time, the owner's son, 17-year-old Khalid Saleh, who said one of the men was armed.

“So I was standing there keeping my hands up watching them break all these windows, glass bottles and stuff,“ said Saleh. “They said we're Muslims, and selling liquor to the community, that we ain't supposed to be doing that.”

This morning Abdul Saleh, the boy's father and others were in the closed store cleaning up. Abdul said he owns the building and the business, which he has run for 21 years. While the elder Saleh said he has never had any trouble with the neighborhood, he said he would now look to sell the business.

About the same time, police said about 10 blocks away another Arab-owned store was hit by a second group of men similarly dressed uttering the same words. Workers at the store declined to comment. A third Arab-owned store in the area was not entered, it was closed for the night.

The crime is curious, given obvious security cameras and monitors that make images that police say they hope will help them identify suspects. In the neighborhood, talk included the need to assert power, tension between Arab shopkeepers and African-American residents, attempts to embarrass the Nation of Islam.

Midmorning Thursday, a man who identified himself as Jimmy X and said he spoke for Oakland's Nation of Islam came to the store to tell Saleh the Nation was, in his words, ‘not affiliated’ with what happened. Jimmy X would not go on camera nor answer questions and said he'd been sent when leaders saw TV reports of the attacks.

Oakland Police were unavailable to say whether they'd pursue a hate crime investigation as well as a burglary.

http://cbs5.com/topstories/local_story_328214757.html
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I know the nation have some serious problems with their Aqeeda, but you have got to love this!
There is a video on that webpage too!!
In some areas there was open drug dealing and the police refused to do anything about it. But the Nation did. And the Drug dealers got so scared and called the police.
In South Africa it's real Sunni Muslims who deal with drug dealers like this. That's why real Islam is so successful there.
If real Muslims done this in America, Britain and France, the type of people who enter the nation would be entering Sunni Islam.
If some of you are about to say, stopping drug dealers, prostitutes, pimps and buzz dealers from earning a living gives Islam a bad name, I will respond with:
No, that is what gives Islam a Good name, what gives Islam a bad name are so called Muslims earning from Harram.
It is the people who called themselves Muslims and deal in Alcohol, Drugs and Prostitution who give Islam a Bad name. It was the Arab Alcohol dealers who poison people to line their pockets who were giving Islam a bad name!
11/25/05 at 18:13:02
abdullahcohn
Re: I know the nation aren't really Muslim, but I
Laila_Y_A
11/25/05 at 18:49:08
   When taking the law into your own hands, no matter what country you live in, you are responding in a way that is shameful- to the country, to yourself, and to Islam.  There are better ways to handle such matters the sheer hoodlamism. A lot of folks will see Black men commiting a crime and say .."well, that's the Blacks for you.."
   Whatever happened to the "peaceful" work of the NOI?

    :-) Laila
Re: I know the nation aren't really Muslim, but I
jannah
11/26/05 at 00:51:59
wlm,

can't say i love that at all  >:(  taking someone's right and acting like you are the shariah is a grievious crime in islam.  going into people's homes and stores and destroying them is not lawful or in any way Islamic. it's called vigilantism and it is not part of islam.
Re: I know the nation aren't really Muslim, but I
Moe_D
11/26/05 at 23:20:19
[wlm]

I dont see how you could support or love what they are doing, using Islam as there cause. The manner in which hey delt with the situation is totaly wrong. How can you support them when they are going in and destroying others property. They probly wont get much done by bullying these people, insurance will probley pay out for the damage and they be in business once again. theres more better ways in trying to convince the owners.
Re: I know the nation aren't really Muslim, but I
abdullahcohn
11/27/05 at 09:49:23
Does what the nation did work?
Mohmmad the liquor dealer disagrees with you:
“elder Saleh said he has never had any trouble with the neighborhood, he said he would now look to sell the business.”
He insists it does work!

Mohmmad if you believe there are better ways to convince the owners to stop their evil enterprises, be my guest. You probably have loads of liquor shops near you. Visit them and convince the owners to replace their harram earnings with Hallal.
This guy had 21 years of non-violent responses to decide to close shop. If this didn’t happen how much more years do you think he would continue to peddle his poison?
I am sure he had insurance, because before the nation does this they try and convince the poison peddler to refrain from poisoning black neighbourhoods, and before they leave, they always advise the poison peddlers to obtain insurance!

To everyone:

I think we just see the same things differently. You see broken privet property. I see saved lives.  As a result of that action some men are not going to go home drunk and beat up their wives, molest their daughters and urinate on the street.
The fact is the government would never give as many liquor licences in white neighbourhoods as they give in black.
We can wait for government policy to change or take action.
Christians wait for change; so many blacks leave Christianity and join the Nation.
If real Muslims did these actions they would have entered real Islam.
I don’t support vigilantism over police action, but I do support the actions of vigilantes in the complete absence of state action.
An Example is South Africa. The government completely ignores crimes in black areas.
If people do not take action against criminals there would be no actions against them.
An Imam was told after salat that a drug dealer had bought a house and started dealing drugs in the area. As soon as he heard this he demanded that 50 men follow him. He went to the drug dealer’s house and demanded he leave within 24 hours, or his house would be taken down brick by brick. The drug dealer left straight away. He knew other dealers who refused to abide by the injunctions of the local Imams end up dead.

This Alcohol dealer is just a criminal who earns his income from the blood and suffering of the poor and oppressed. He is just a drug dealer with a bit of paper given to him by a racist government called a liquor licence. I have no sympathy for him. I believe the nation is too generous on such people by giving them an early warning and advising them to obtain insurance.

My problem with the nation is their deviant Aqeeda and their complete detachment from any kind of spirituality. They attract people who would otherwise have entered real Islam.
But real Muslims are to blame for this. By imitating the secularism and pacifism of Christians we have turned Islam in to the Opium of the Masses. People who demand that we ignore evil that is destroying and oppressing and instead just look in to our selves are making Islam as irrelevant to the real world as Christianity.
If the so called leaders and spokesmen of Islam continue to do this, they will turn the youth away from Islam and force them to look for another deen that would guide them in their fight against Oppression.

The people who are against this need to ask themselves: Do people join the nation due to belief in their deviant Aqeeda or support of their physical actions against Drug dealers, state recognised Drug dealers (Alcohol dealers) and racism?
11/27/05 at 09:51:18
abdullahcohn
Re: I know the nation aren't really Muslim, but I
Moe_D
11/27/05 at 20:32:55
Abdullah: So now the owner is going to sell the business, big deal now someone else is going to move in to the neighbourhood and sell  it. what was accomplished?? NOTHING

Where i live liquor are only sold at certain specific stores gov't opperated. Sure i agree muslims shouldnt be selling alcohol products but by going in and destroying products they are just setting a bad example, is that how a "good" muslim should act?? is this what you want the media to see?? is this what you want your neighbours to see??
Re: I know the nation aren't really Muslim, but I
abdullahcohn
11/28/05 at 12:09:24
Yes the owner will sell his business, but only a complete idiot would buy it after what the nation did!
The shop can be used to sell other things. But if the new owner is dumb enough to keep it as liquor store, a couple more attacks might be enough to beat some sense in him and set an adequate example to other potential liquor dealing criminals.
Do I think it is a bad example, no!
I think it’s a brilliant example! This is exactly what example we should be following. This is why people join the nation and believe in their deviancy instead of joining Islam and believing in the Sunnah.
What I think is a bad example is the example of the Christians!
An example of tolerance to drug dealing criminals with bits of paper called liquor licences and intolerance to the only people brave enough to do something about it.
Is this what I want the Media to see?
Yes!
They will see that Muslims are sorting out the evils of society while Christians sit in their churches wasting time!
Do I want my neighbours to see this? Yes I do!
But the people who I want to see this most are the so called Muslims who dealing in Alcohol. Fear of Allah is clearly not enough to persuade  these criminals to stop ruining peoples lives with their poison, may be fear of losing their property will be enough!
The destroyed products mean saved lives! Every alcohol bottle that was broken means one less that is drunk! If they savvied, they would have been drunk. The longer the shop remains closed, the longer the shops customers have to clear their lives of alcoholism.
The fewer alcohol dealers there are the more expensive Alcohol is. The more expensive it is, the less the number of people who can afford it. The less the number of people who can afford it, the more the people who have been saved from the dangers of alcohol and the dangers of drunks!
Re: I know the nation aren't really Muslim, but I
Laila_Y_A
11/28/05 at 16:58:21
   More than likely, a non-Muslim, non-Arab will purchase the store.  Will these so-called NOI members return then?  If that person sells- another will buy, and the cycle will  be repeated until violence is returned with violence. Is this the face of Islam YOU want spread on the news for all to see- even our children?
   The Nation used to use non-violent means to rid their neighborhoods of bad influences. If those guys were real NOI, then Mr. Farakhan(sp) needs to crack down on them, instead of the storekeepers.
Re: I know the nation aren't really Muslim, but I
jannah
11/28/05 at 17:48:30
Let me ask you something abdullahcohn, something all your posts seem to indicate is that you believe that "the ends justify the means". is that true? you seem to be accepting of any type of vigilantism, violence, political activism regardless of islamic rules or guidelines. so what exactly are you following then? as muslims we do NOT believe the 'ends justify the means'. There are rules that guide and rule our every action and we cannnot just go out and do whatever we want because we "think" it is a good deed. Can you rob a bank to give to the poor? Can you steal from the rich to give to the poor? Can you murder someone because you think they are a bad person? Think about it.. who governs your actions, is it Allah and His book and sunnah or is it your own mind, nafs and shaitan. Sometimes shaitan can make the worst sin look like a good deed so be very careful.


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